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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4230   
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Heโs right about batteries being no good for heavy duty applications, but Iโm not convinced hydrogen will save us. It is woefully inefficient to make and difficult store and transport. Also I donโt know what emissions standards are like for off highway plant, but hydrogen produces NOx when burned in an IC engine which is why it is not being developed much by manufacturers. Maybe the way diggers operate (more contant engine speed) means they can control the NOx better. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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27th Jul 2021 9:07am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1041 
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Apparently NOx is much lower than for regular IC engine.
Personally, I think the bigger problem for Hydrogen is the method of production. For all the talk of cracking water using green electricity, the vast majority of Hydrogen production is just cracking hydrocarbons. Yet another shift of where the pollution is generated. |
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27th Jul 2021 9:47am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17588 
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And this is really what it all comes down to. |
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27th Jul 2021 11:52am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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It's all interest g stuff, but can't think of Bamford as doing anything other than looking after his own vested interests ~ turning up in a helicopter perhaps shows where he's at on the climate change debate. Although, given the quote from the article below, then maybe that's a good thing:
"Instead of a miraculous ability to redistribute power to the people, one of the main properties of hydrogen turned out to be relieving its backers of their wealth."  Click image to enlarge https://about.bnef.com/blog/liebreich-sepa...pply-side/ |
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27th Jul 2021 4:51pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3347 
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Interesting article on the subject here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/climate...e=Homepage WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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12th Aug 2021 4:35pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Talking of JCB producing clean vehicles...
"JCB failed to do human rights checks over destruction of Palestinian homes JCB, the British tractor firm, has been found by a UK government watchdog to have failed to carry out due diligence human rights checks over the potential use of its equipment to demolish homes in the occupied Palestinian territories (OPT)." https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/nov/1...hdog-finds |
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12th Nov 2021 5:23pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1442 
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So you have to check the human rights records of people you're selling construction equipment to.
Meanwhile UK arms dealers are selling their wares around the world and whole world is happy to do business with Saudi Arabia, China and Russia. ....just don't sell them any excavators! |
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12th Nov 2021 8:37pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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Wasn't JLR involved in something similar when some dodgy middle eastern regime was rounding people up to be brutalised...in Defenders? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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12th Nov 2021 9:55pm |
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| Jabberwocky Member Since: 27 Oct 2021 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 226 
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My thoughts exactly, big nasty tractor firm selling machinery that could be used to knock stuff down. Meanwhile UK government pleasures some of the nastiest regimes on the planet to sell some jet which are only used for one thing๐๐ Oh and apparently the very same regime somehow manages to pass the fit and whatever test to buy Newcastle Utd.๐๐ One wonders who Bamford has  off. |
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13th Nov 2021 12:26am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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JLR had a case brought against them in 2018 by the Bahrain Institute for Rights and Democracy (BIRD). BIRD is a Non-Governmental Organisation (NGO) based in the United Kingdom. It was related to their sponsorship of the Royal Windsor Horse Show. "The complainant alleges that in the course of organising and/or sponsoring the Royal Windsor Horse Show (RWHS), the companies acted inconsistently with the General Policies (II) and Human Rights (IV) sections of the OECD Guidelines for Multinational Enterprises (the Guidelines) and are linked to human rights abuses by their business relationships with the Bahraini authorities." The watchdog took forward the case against HPG, a UK based events company that organised the show, but had the view that JLR were "not sufficiently linked to the party causing the alleged harm, for the Guidelines to apply". https://www.oecdwatch.org/complaint/bird-vs-jaguar-land-rover/ |
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13th Nov 2021 7:10am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17588
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The obvious answer would be the sycophantic Muskophiles whose tunnel vision makes them believe that the only future is an electric future. |
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13th Nov 2021 9:34am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Hmm, no ot wasn't that one. It was something like journalists being dragged off the street by armed men in Landrovers in the middle east somewhere, some connection with a CKD operation but the details escape me. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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13th Nov 2021 12:03pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1442
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The bunch criticising JCB are probably luvvies of the loony left persuasion, terrorist sympathisers often seen at "Free Palestine" events. This reminds me of Jeremy Corbyn on a stage welcoming "our friends in Hamas and Hezbollah" |
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13th Nov 2021 3:10pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1442
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Cummins are also developing Hydrogen powered ICE's, with some of the research done in Darlington UK.
https://thecea.org.uk/cummins-hydrogen-eng...platforms/ |
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13th Nov 2021 3:20pm |
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