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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1316   
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Don't disagree with you Supacat. A competent mechanic could easily repair/replace the components.
My worry would be the number of less than competent mechanics out there. Still I suppose no different to selling safety critical steering and suspension components to anyone. I cringed when I saw this photo over the weekend on a Jeep facebook page I follow. The owner thought it was a good and safe solution to take out the play in the tie rod thread. Plenty of responses saying it was far from a good idea.  Click image to enlarge Also agree that the manually retractable tow ball version would appear to be more suitable for Defender. Far less to go wrong or get damaged when off road. |
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19th Oct 2021 4:27pm |
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| cyberhusky Member Since: 09 Feb 2021 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 274 
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Hello
I do have the electrically deployable towbar. I had no other choice. I wanted the removable, but only had the choice between fixed or automatic deployable. I only use once a month and still haven't tried it as I don't have my trailer. On my Disco Sport and Freelander 2 I always had the the Brink removable towbar, very reliable. 22MY Defender 110 (actual) | 10MY Freelander 2 (history) | 15MY Discovery Sport HSE (history) |
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19th Oct 2021 7:16pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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I wonder why right to repair doesn’t play a part? Mike
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19th Oct 2021 7:30pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Another example of poor aftersales support:
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3rd Nov 2021 11:44am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035
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There are a few things like this that ive seen recently, not just with JLR, where you have to buy a complete X to get a replacement part.
I thought and hoped, right to repair would kick in and cover stuff like this - maybe it will Mike |
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4th Nov 2021 7:47am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Interesting to how right to repair is playing out in the US: Subaru Disables StarLink in 2022 Vehicles to Comply With Right to Repair Law When Massachusetts residents overwhelmingly voted to pass updates to the state's right-to-repair laws—including, among other things, allowing a common method of accessing over-the-air diagnostic data—in 2020, it was immediately clear that automakers weren't going to let it happen quietly. Those companies and their lobbyist groups promptly fought back, but at least one has taken some new-car features off the menu as it reportedly seeks a way to comply with the law. https://www.thedrive.com/news/42917/subaru...repair-law Assuming this is a far wider suite of telematics than currently available to owners via an existing app, the question is what has/will JLR do to a MY2022 Defender to be able to sell it in Massachusetts? "The amendment to the law means that automakers who want to do business in Massachusetts are required to make this telematics data accessible through a smartphone app beginning with model year 2022 and newer vehicles." https://www.thedrive.com/news/41121/voters...hting-back |
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8th Nov 2021 7:17am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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Easy answer to that - they stop sales in Massachusetts altogether so owners can only buy a car in another adjoining state and drive it back into Massachusetts then it won’t have been sold in state. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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8th Nov 2021 9:07am |
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| umbertob Member Since: 21 Jun 2020 Location: Altadena, CA Posts: 133 
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That practice is frowned upon... Dealers are very territorial here in the US, with few exceptions (limited run or high-demand, high-margin vehicles) buying a car from a dealer in a different county to save a few bucks can be problematic for the selling dealer if the manufacturer finds out, let alone buying out of state to circumvent a local law. There are serious penalties involved for the offending dealer. At the very least I expect MA dealers would eventually refuse servicing a vehicle purchased out of state, on the technicality that it's not legally configured for use on their roads. That would put an end to that practice real quick. 2020 NAS Defender 110 HSE 5-seater / Silver / Khaki / Black Pack / Black Roof / Satin Film / Cold Pack / Off-Road Pack / Advanced OR Pack / Comfort + Convenience Pack / Sirius + HD radio / HUD / Meridian Surround
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8th Nov 2021 1:27pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It seems Subaru is cautious of upsetting the dealer network or the judge, or both and so has worded it thus:
"It then states in a layman’s terms that, “to comply with the new Data [Access] Law, [Subaru of America] has determined that it is no longer able to offer STARLINK Safety & Security subscriptions to Massachusetts residents beginning with model year 2022.” https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2021/10...pair-case/ |
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8th Nov 2021 3:02pm |
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