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| Mike_E Member Since: 13 Apr 2017 Location: Aberdeenshire Posts: 161   
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that is a shame although sort of expected. To bring back the professional (proper..) and make it 2022 regulations compliant would have been tricky.
have to say whacking on a professional body onto the standard g-class is such a poser move - they basically even say that in the media release! |
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6th Sep 2021 10:20am |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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And that, seemingly, is the problem - “Merc struggling with e-G…”:  Click image to enlarge |
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13th Sep 2021 2:52pm |
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| GSDChauffeur Member Since: 10 Jul 2021 Location: Southwest Posts: 14 
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Source?
That is pure speculation. There is no confirmation on the range yet. |
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13th Sep 2021 4:32pm |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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Georg Kacher’s industry “Insider” column in October’s Car magazine. So very unlikely to be “pure speculation”.
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13th Sep 2021 4:34pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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It's interesting that depending on your agenda 150 miles of range can both be described as "scant" (above); and "as much as" (JLR's EMA platform to be used for the next-generation Evoque and Discovery Sport https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...y-flagship ).
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16th Sep 2021 7:55am |
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| Philip Member Since: 09 Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 510
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It’s interesting that absolutely anything can be twisted into an attack on the hated JLR. 150 miles of hybrid electric range is a lot by today’s standards (albeit with an IC engine only as range extender), whereas for a large pure EV it’s poor.
That doesn’t change the fact that the G Class is possibly the most cynically-conceived car on sale (although when the biggest differentiator between cars will soon be their operating systems, we may even miss it). |
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16th Sep 2021 9:39am |
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| Fellrunner Member Since: 28 Sep 2014 Location: Wandering Posts: 258  
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I’m going to say no, they could have made it if they’d have wished to, but they didn’t want to.
It took someone like Jim, who evidently has a real passion for the Defender, and the money to back his passion, to try to achieve something that many Defender owners clearly wanted; a true successor to the Defender, and not a (apparently capable) cannibalisation of the rest of the LR line up. The ethos behind both cars apparently couldn’t be more different. One with the enthusiast in mind; here are the plans, please take and modify and personalise …. The other, well, “hey look at the design cues between old and new!” Yeah - thanks Gerry. At least there’s one similarity between the old and new Defender, they both need a water ingress manual. |
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1st Oct 2021 5:56pm |
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| stng110 Member Since: 04 Jun 2021 Location: Melbourne Posts: 102 
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Why do you say the new Defender is a cannibalisation? Because it has shared screen, digital dash etc?
I think LR could have made the Grenadier, given they made the old Defender. I think the real issue is they didn’t want to. |
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1st Oct 2021 8:03pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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Because the if you look back say 8-10 years ago they had three main lineups
Defender - Utilitarian, capability, rugged Discovery - Lifestyle, very practical but still capable Range Rover - Luxury What they've done is completely dropped the utilitarian model lineup but kept the name as a marketing exercise where the new vehicle bears no relationship with its own history. The discovery starting with the 4 and definately the 5 went further and further up market and is now just really a 7 seat range rover, to complement the sport and full fat. You can see why they've done it, more luxury equals higher prices equals higher profits. simples, but in the process lost some of the DNA of what attracted people to LR in the first place, and lost some customers - which obviously in hindsight they coudlnt care less if they can replace that customer with another who makes them more money. Hence why for most buyers of land rover products its just a case of which you like the look of, and how many seats you want. The introduction of the new defender definately will have cannibalised sales of the discovery and you can see that in the sales data..... and thats on top of LR ballsing up the disco 5 by again losing the practical looks of the disco 3 and 4. Sorry state of affairs, and thats not to say their products are crap, just a missed opportunity to keep more seperation between model lines and price points imho, but im guessing like any company you need to make the most of your physical space/assets. |
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2nd Oct 2021 8:56am |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1428 
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It's a cannibalisation because it is a restyled body on the old RR and Discovery 5 platform, with supposedly some durability upgrades. Then they reprogrammed the transmission and traction control software. Last edited by DSC-off on 2nd Oct 2021 9:11am. Edited 1 time in total |
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2nd Oct 2021 9:07am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I'm not sure one follows on from the other, especially in JLR's instance where the company has shifted so far into electronics, software and shared platforms. Of course they could have outsourced it, like the I Pace; but then so could anyone with the money...so and we have the Grenadier. |
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2nd Oct 2021 9:09am |
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