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Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

If my Mini PHEV was anything to go by mpg on fossil fuel alone was dire due to the additional 150kgs of batteries and the weight (unknown) of the rear mounted electric motor that it’s little 3 cylinder 1.5ltr turbo petrol engine had to carry around once the battery was drained. On petrol only journeys I don’t recall getting any more than 25mpg when the same engine in the non-PHEV got into the high 30’s or even with care into the low 40’s. The PHEV version was at the time the fastest and quickest accelerating Mini available - better performance by a hairs breadth than the Cooper Works version, Defender PHEV is the same - only out performed by the V8 - when both power sources can be used together.
The declared official WLTP electric range of the Defender PHEV is 26 miles, same as my Mini had but the Mini only had a 7.2kWhr battery whereas the Defender has a considerably bigger battery. I doubt even on a hot summer day you will see any more than 20 miles electric range out of the Defender basis experience with the Mini that struggled to get 22. Lies on a hot day and the range dropped to as low as 12 miles on a frosty winter morning.
Despite all that I was till able to make almost 85% of my miles in the Mini purely electricially powered mainly because after a 16 mile run to the shops I could plug it in and recharge it while I was in town (and recharge it for free too)

Here is the last set of figures from last June for my Mini. Ear in mind that it was not possible to get a separate log of electrically powered miles and petrol powered miles, this are combined petrol and electric miles. If I could justify the >£5000 price differential between the P300 and the P400e I would go for the P400e if I could get similar figures as the Mini PHEV. Unfortunately all my miles are private miles and I cannot claim BIK allowances and that and also the much bigger insurance premiums and considerably higher depreciation that PHEV’s suffer counts against buying such an expensive version of the car as a private buyer. Maybe if I lived in a ULEZ zone where a daily entry charge is made or I had to commute in the Defender it would be a better deal for me but at present the diesel make more financial sense for a private buyer.
Note also that I used to use the home charger as well so the cost of domestic tariff electricity isn’t in clouded in the Mini’s fueling costs.

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Here’s my most up to date Fuelly record for the Defender D240

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2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

1st Apr 2021 9:08am

zilch

Member Since: 11 Sep 2019
Location: Whitsundays & Sydney
Posts: 818

About 20.3mpg

even with a light right foot yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

1st Apr 2021 10:29am

Telemarkskier

Member Since: 20 Jul 2020
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 126

Getting a return of 32.8mpg from D240 60% 50mph on M4 Reading to junction 4 / M25 + another 40 miles of country roads and 9 miles traffic congestion in NW London. Had hoped for better. 2020 Defender 110 SE 240D: Fuji White.
2011 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE
2007 Freelander2 HSE (man)

1st Apr 2021 3:16pm

jim4244

Member Since: 13 Apr 2014
Location: Bedfordshire
Posts: 781

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver

Some of the figures on this thread appear very low when compared to a L405 or L494 fitted with a TDV6?

Jim

1st Apr 2021 4:46pm

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3395

I’m getting about 29mpg from the 3.0 D200 but it’s only got 150 miles on the clock. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue

1st Apr 2021 5:14pm

oop north

Member Since: 23 Mar 2016
Location: Preston-ish
Posts: 59

I think the defender, because of its very non-aerodynamic shape, is always going to give worse mpg than current Range Rover and Discovery 5. It’s a shame - the most disappointing thing for me about the defender is it’s terrible economy. Goes against the grain for the latest product to be the least efficient

1st Apr 2021 6:33pm

TRGRichie

Member Since: 03 Mar 2021
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 180

Thanks for the replies chaps,

I have a 90 on order, which will replace my current car which is a golf gte plug in hybrid, which on my normal commute I can run on purely electric and recharge at work so basically not have to spend a penny, so I appreciate I’m taking a hit to commute because I want the defender, but as mentioned in one reply on the weekly 200 round trip I have to make for work the car is 99% on petrol, 1.4l and basically of the 200 mile round trip 160 of it is motorway. Anyway, at a 70/75 speed (I use the adaptive cruse control, and love it, so the new 90 is specked with it also) it costs me I’d say £23ish, so the advisory fuel rate of 11p just about covers my journey,

Now advisory fuel rate for a d200 is only 12p and I think I’m going to to be out of pocket on these trips? I don’t it’s going to do 200 mile for £24?

Anyway this my well be the price I will have to pay for picking a car with my heart and not my head as I could have had any of the latest plug in hybrids as my next car.... but fell in love with the looks of defender and the hardtop will suit my work and private needs very nicely, and obviously there are benefits to running a commercial vehicle from a company point of view etc.

1st Apr 2021 7:16pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6298

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

just by way of a comparison especially considering the earlier comment of 'big box'

bought myself a transit a few months back and over the first 5,500 miles I've averaged over 48mpg - and for a transit it kinda goes like stink (182ps / 415Nm), although I rarely put my foot down as the mpg suggests.

the world goes on about doing this and that to save the planet inevitably by doing bad things to do good things ie batteries for electric cars.
All it actually takes is a change of mentality. I could probably right a list as long as my arm of things that would help save the planet with zero investment and zero carbon foot print but until you can teach moorons not to be moorons we're all doomed.

7th Aug 2021 1:58pm

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