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mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

90 v 110 3.0 v 2.0

Ive fortunately been leant a 3.0 90 for a week to play with, which has given me a few days to compare against my 110 which is the 240

Ignoring the engine and size, the 90 is on steels and none air with the 3.0 engine and my 110 is air with the 2.0

My first comment is the defender 3.0 is not as good as the same MY Disco 3.0 we have - ive been critical between the 110 2.0 and the Discovery 5 3.0l...there is definitely not the same get up and go in the defender as the disco 5 and the D5 has the edge in all ways there.

Whilst the Defender 3.0l doesn't seem to rev as aggressively as the 2.0, i was really surprised to not feel any "real" performance improvements - i expected the defender 3 would be like the disco and "shift" and return the 48mpg the disco is - its no slouch, but it doesnt pin you back like the disco and mpg is the same as the 2.0l, the 2.0l seems very very comparable performance wise and whilst i would say maybe the 3.0l has a very slight improvement, i was really surprised how little "more" the 3.0l had...certainly nothing so significant that makes me want to upgrade just for the engine.
Although the 2.0l was fine on many levels, defenders have had 2.0l, 2.4l, 2.5l so was happy, i did start to think the 3 would be massively better based on the disco...it isnt the disco 5 is better and this has really settled me that the 2.0 is as fine as i hoped!

Im also reflecting the 90 is less than the 110!!

On to the 90 - love the AT on Steels. AT's seem good, wish i had chosen them

White Steels with a white roof i just like

The 90 is cool, but totally impractical, just like my last 3 90s!

Great rear seat room in the 90, like the 110...Sod all boot space and obviously the seats and load space dont go flat. In fairness - the 110 boot space isnt massive - ive had to do farming with the disco to get a bigger boot on occasions - cant fit 6 25l water containers full and a 40l in the defender, i can in the disco boot. The 90 is very much like the 3 door RRE we had, which gets a pain, but the 90 does seem to have more rear passenger space than my puma 90.

Air v Coil...always air. Its very good on coils, a little firm and feels slightly higher but clearly air is smoother and has options single and double extended and lower. I would go air every time, but wouldnt say its the end of the world without, but air is better and smoother...my wife has commented getting in the 90 is harder than the 110

90 drives nicely, as does the 110 - both, i think, are better firmer drives than the disco. I still cant work out if i would rather spend my long journeys in the D5 or the defender, i think the disco wins - but both are great with their advantages and i love Mike

7th Jul 2021 10:45am

Japseroony

Member Since: 02 Jan 2008
Location: North East England
Posts: 807

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Just a thought but whilst the 90 is the 3ltr what output is it as I think they do a 200, 250 and 300 bhp version in the 110 but only the 200 & 250 bhp in the 90?

If its on air and steel wheels then presumably it will be a base model and running the 200 bhp engine which is not comparable to the Disco 5 which I think come with the minimum 250 bhp 3 ltr engine?

Don't think your test results are fair even against the 240 110 you have due to bhp numbers but please forgive me if I am wrong

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7th Jul 2021 11:19am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3395

What horsepower is in the Disco compared to Defender 90? No point comparing 300hp with a 200hp

Air maybe great but not worth an extra £1600. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue

7th Jul 2021 11:28am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

they are both D5 and 90 D300 v D240 Mike

7th Jul 2021 11:40am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3395

Must be a 90 X as that’s the only one available with D300 as far as I’m aware.

I went with 3.0 D200 as the 250 not really worth the extra and D200 felt more lively over the D240 110 I test drove. Bought the 90 blind really as mine was one of the first to arrive at my dealers so no option of a test drive and only got a couple hours with one back in October as part of the dealer tour, but so far it’s been just as useful as any previous LR, it just takes more effort and better packing to get stuff in. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue

7th Jul 2021 11:44am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

Sorry just been out to it, sheet in the car 250

but that would confirm why the 240v 250 is no real difference Mike

7th Jul 2021 11:53am

mf7480

Member Since: 14 Jun 2021
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 86

I test drove a D300 110 and a D300 D5 back to back and the D5 was much more sprightly to drive. It drove as you'd expect a 300hp car to drive. The Defender was much more relaxed.

7th Jul 2021 12:25pm

Simon Audi

Member Since: 19 Nov 2020
Location: Newport
Posts: 544

The defender is less aerodynamic... but a bit prettier than the D5... so that would also make it a little faster.

But it could also be tuned / geared differently.

7th Jul 2021 12:34pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

mf7480 wrote:
I test drove a D300 110 and a D300 D5 back to back and the D5 was much more sprightly to drive. It drove as you'd expect a 300hp car to drive. The Defender was much more relaxed.

I think thats what i was trying to say (you put it much better) and what i felt

And @simon you are right, it could be gearing too Mike

7th Jul 2021 1:09pm

pjm-84

Member Since: 12 Apr 2021
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 661

Crumbs one of the reasons I didn't like the D240 was how gutless it felt compared to an 3.0D X5 @235HP that I had previously owned.

I've gone with the P400 and all clips I've seen shows it pulls well

7th Jul 2021 2:04pm

zilch

Member Since: 11 Sep 2019
Location: Whitsundays & Sydney
Posts: 817

Quote:
I've gone with the P400 and all clips I've seen shows it pulls well

I can confirm the P400 has more than adequate pulling power and is a great drive, both on and off road..
i test drove a D5 D240 (before Defender launched) to assess how it went vs my 3.0 TDv6 RRS, chalk and
cheese, so the P400 it had to be.. must admit if i knew the D300 was on the horizon i may have waited a
further six months.. but no regrets with my choice.. The only downside is it empties the wallet a lot more
often than the RRS which is now the wife's shopping trolley

yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

8th Jul 2021 3:59am

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