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| Busarider Member Since: 14 Mar 2021 Location: Bromsgrove Posts: 63  
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Anyone know if this will fit my 00 td5 90
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15th Jun 2021 9:38pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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What do you mean by "steam plate" ?
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15th Jun 2021 10:01pm |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3683 
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Possibly means “steel” plate?! Autocorrect?!
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16th Jun 2021 5:10am |
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| Mountain_man Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Right side of Offas Dyke Posts: 756 
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It would fit but won't have the brackets for the rear mounted fuel tank (I think yours will have this set up?) . They could be cut off the old chassis and transferred over I guess. I have just fitted a TD5 rear chassis to a 300 tdi and that was the only major difference I saw. |
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16th Jun 2021 7:24am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450
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Ah, of course! Thanks, that makes more sense. Why didn't I think of that... |
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16th Jun 2021 7:51am |
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| AJC Member Since: 30 Nov 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1364
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But by right a TD5 should have a hole for electric plug |
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16th Jun 2021 9:12am |
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| Mountain_man Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Right side of Offas Dyke Posts: 756
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^^^ ah yes, you are correct. It did have the hole too. Though that is not a structural issue with fitting to a TD5 since most tow bars offer a braket for the plug too. The lack of tank brackets on the other hand, would be problematic!
Another difference should be that the tdi cross mamber has the body tabs welded on while the TD5 uses a seperate bolt up section with the tabs a part of that. Since this one doesn't have the body tabs I assume it relies on a TD5 type bolt on section too? |
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16th Jun 2021 9:49am |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5852 
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I ordered a Blacksheep x-member a few years ago, and didn't come with TD5 electrics hole. I think, it was boiler plate that was used...? 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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16th Jun 2021 10:23am |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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^^^^^^
Boiler plate is often referred to as steam plate - its a hot rolled special carbon steel. Rgds. Chris |
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16th Jun 2021 10:28am |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2237 
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Same here, my Blacksheep X-member for my TD5 didnt have the hole for the towing electrics. I ordered mine with the older style body mounting tabs though. I am sure it was S355 steel he used.
Adding the electrics hole would have added a fair bit of effort/cost although I am sure Clive would have done it if asked. He fitted two exhaust cutouts in the one for my V8 90 and reinforced them with hydraulic cylinder sections (10mm wall) as he wasn't satisfied with the wall thickness of the available tube in that diameter 
Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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16th Jun 2021 10:45am |
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| Bathale Member Since: 02 Sep 2016 Location: South West Posts: 100 
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This crossmember come with a galvanised TD5 style fitting bar that sits on top of the cross member, you can see the four fitting holes, hence no tabs at the rear edge. It cleans the back end up.
No electrics hole as other contributors have said. |
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16th Jun 2021 1:24pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450
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Indeed it is, usually a hot-rolled medium carbon steel formulated for performance at high temperatures. Apart possibly for corrosion resistance it has few properties relevant to a rear crossmember, and many properties that make it really quite unsuitable (eg prone to embrittlement, difficult to weld, and poor low temperature strength). It is also expensive, and, given that it is rare that the rear crossmember is subjected to temperatures of 650 degrees F, it would be a very odd and unsuitable choice. Low carbon mild steel (as used throughout the construction industry for structural steelwork) has properties which make it far more suitable, such as good ductility, good strength at low temperatures, and ease of welding. It would also be very difficult to weld a boiler plate crossmember to a mild steel chassis in a satisfactory way. My first thought when reading the OP's "steam plate" comment was that he was saying that the cross-member was made out of one of the many standards of boiler plate, which struck me as unsuitable and surprising and is why I queried the comment. I believe however that Co1 has nailed it with his autocorrect theory. Either that or it is a misunderstanding. For the avoidance of doubt, I am not questioning the suitability or quality of the Black Sheep crossmember, which was an outstanding product and it is a shame that it is no longer available. If I needed one, I would be snapping this up. |
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16th Jun 2021 4:05pm |
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| Moneypit Member Since: 27 Feb 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 271 
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Bought one years ago just to put it to one side for the last Defender I build just before I retire,
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16th Jun 2021 7:06pm |
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