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Supacat

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How to fix JLR ~ the TFL take on it

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17th Dec 2020 8:59pm

markb110

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Yes I saw that

Interesting about BMW. I don’t take much notice of them, clearly have issues of their own in a big way.

When you compare the PowerfulUK winch install and TFL’s comments then look at what Ford has achieved with the Bronco in terms of engineering it to be user friendly and ripe for the aftermarket you really have to be concerned about JLR.

I see that Gerry in his new position wants to get involved in the styling of Jaguar so I expect that we will see a continuation of the same vehicle, but different size approach instead of ‘what can we do as a company to get the basics right first’ approach.

But will they listen is the question........won’t hold my breath.

18th Dec 2020 5:21pm

Tim in Scotland

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It also sounds like Ford might have messed up not only the Bronco launch but the new F150 and the Explorer then it’s ditched “sedans” with the only “car” type vehicle being built Stateside being an EV that the dealers don’t want to sell....... Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

18th Dec 2020 6:10pm

Supacat

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Other than some very particular markets, I think South Korea is one, the rest of the world seem to have gone very cold on sedans.

18th Dec 2020 6:37pm

Supacat

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markb110 wrote:
I see that Gerry in his new position wants to get involved in the styling of Jaguar so I expect that we will see a continuation of the same vehicle, but different size approach instead of ‘what can we do as a company to get the basics right first’ approach.

But will they listen is the question........won’t hold my breath.

I can't see that going down well with Julian Thomson. He's perfectly capable of doing the job himself; interesting to see who's come to his defense :

Ian Callum (@IanCallum) Tweeted:
@Carscoop Let me say it had never been Design of late that has held Jaguar back. It’s volume and costs ! Gerry can’t sort that. Jaguar has won more design awards than Land Rover. And tell me... what is so old fashioned about an XE, F Pace or indeed a F Type? https://twitter.com/IanCallum/status/1339641836911116288?s=20

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18th Dec 2020 6:48pm

Supacat

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More from Mr Callum:

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https://twitter.com/IanCallum/status/1383330483925180418?s=20

17th Apr 2021 11:31am

Zed

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Supacat wrote:
markb110 wrote:
I see that Gerry in his new position wants to get involved in the styling of Jaguar so I expect that we will see a continuation of the same vehicle, but different size approach instead of ‘what can we do as a company to get the basics right first’ approach.

But will they listen is the question........won’t hold my breath.

I can't see that going down well with Julian Thomson. He's perfectly capable of doing the job himself; interesting to see who's come to his defense :

Ian Callum (@IanCallum) Tweeted:
@Carscoop Let me say it had never been Design of late that has held Jaguar back. It’s volume and costs ! Gerry can’t sort that. Jaguar has won more design awards than Land Rover. And tell me... what is so old fashioned about an XE, F Pace or indeed a F Type? https://twitter.com/IanCallum/status/1339641836911116288?s=20

Gerry's PR people have been working overtime of late. I wish he would spend time promoting the brands than himself.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/feature...ectric-era WARNING.
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17th Apr 2021 4:46pm

Bluest

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The looks of both a jag and Land Rover are not the problem. They need to fix the quality and stop having a range of models that all compete with each other. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

17th Apr 2021 7:44pm

diesel_jim

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@ Supacat.....

Yes, imagine if LR developed some kind of mini Jimny type vehicle; it would be so crammed of technology and ECU's, it would be about as reliable as the new defender.

the Jimny is nice and basic and reliable (maybe it has the Japanese reliability built in) but not tonnes of unwanted add on cr@p/interior light colours/traction aids/touch screen/cameras that don't work.

KISS.... works every time!

18th Apr 2021 5:32pm

lohr500

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@diesel_jim

18th Apr 2021 5:38pm

Supacat

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Supacat wrote:
markb110 wrote:
I see that Gerry in his new position wants to get involved in the styling of Jaguar so I expect that we will see a continuation of the same vehicle, but different size approach instead of ‘what can we do as a company to get the basics right first’ approach.

But will they listen is the question........won’t hold my breath.

I can't see that going down well with Julian Thomson. He's perfectly capable of doing the job himself; interesting to see who's come to his defense :

Ian Callum (@IanCallum) Tweeted:
@Carscoop Let me say it had never been Design of late that has held Jaguar back. It’s volume and costs ! Gerry can’t sort that. Jaguar has won more design awards than Land Rover. And tell me... what is so old fashioned about an XE, F Pace or indeed a F Type? https://twitter.com/IanCallum/status/1339641836911116288?s=20

Well the writing was on the wall. A pity for the brand:

"Jaguar design boss Julian Thomson to leave firm this month

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...firm-month

6th May 2021 5:00am

mse

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Bluest wrote:
The looks of both a jag and Land Rover are not the problem. They need to fix the quality and stop having a range of models that all compete with each other.

Just wondering where the reliability bashing still get fuelled from?

I have 2 new on the go changing one every 6-9 months, I’ll go with 16-20 in the last 8-10 yrs, I don’t recognise this reliability bashing real world, however unfashionable that is Mike

6th May 2021 7:53pm

Zed

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Supacat wrote:
Supacat wrote:
markb110 wrote:
I see that Gerry in his new position wants to get involved in the styling of Jaguar so I expect that we will see a continuation of the same vehicle, but different size approach instead of ‘what can we do as a company to get the basics right first’ approach.

But will they listen is the question........won’t hold my breath.

I can't see that going down well with Julian Thomson. He's perfectly capable of doing the job himself; interesting to see who's come to his defense :

Ian Callum (@IanCallum) Tweeted:
@Carscoop Let me say it had never been Design of late that has held Jaguar back. It’s volume and costs ! Gerry can’t sort that. Jaguar has won more design awards than Land Rover. And tell me... what is so old fashioned about an XE, F Pace or indeed a F Type? https://twitter.com/IanCallum/status/1339641836911116288?s=20

Well the writing was on the wall. A pity for the brand:

"Jaguar design boss Julian Thomson to leave firm this month

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...firm-month

Opinion piece in Autocar
https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/industry...d-expected WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

7th May 2021 9:50pm

Supacat

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mse wrote:
Just wondering where the reliability bashing still get fuelled from?

I have 2 new on the go changing one every 6-9 months, I’ll go with 16-20 in the last 8-10 yrs, I don’t recognise this reliability bashing real world, however unfashionable that is

Is that in the same fashion as Nelson at Copenhagen?

Two recent JD Power studies:

Vehicle Dependability Study ~ At the bottom of the list is Land Rover, Jaguar third from bottom.
Customer Service Index Study ~ Second from the bottom of the list is Land Rover, Jaguar third.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/post890747...wer#890747

Then there's the huge warranty costs, acknowledged by JLR as being an issue, and discussed on several threads on here.

Finally, just listenen to the words from the new boss:

"Jaguar Land Rover loses more than 100,000 sales annually due to customer perception of quality issues with its models, CEO Thierry Bollore said"

https://www.defender2.net/forum/post888852...ore#888852

Pretty hard not to recognise a single one of those things, but when you add them together...

8th May 2021 5:26am

Supacat

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Another senior design bod has left ~ Alister Whelan.

Jaguar F-Type and F-Pace Interior Designer Joins Chinese EV Maker NIO

"You may recognize his name if you appreciated the interior of the Jaguar I-Pace, but also the cockpit of the F-Pace and the F-Type. What makes the move even more interesting is that Whelan had been with Jaguar Land Rover for 21 years, almost the same as Julian Thomson, another former Jaguar designer who left the company earlier this year."

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/jaguar-...70893.html

6th Oct 2021 6:25am

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