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Blue

Member Since: 13 Aug 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 43

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Cairns Blue

Recovery points with LR Puma steering guard

Hi,

Looking into front recovery points; unfortunately the LR Puma steering guard doesn't allow JATE rings to fit properly - while getting this modified could be the answer I'm interested what other Puma owners are utilising for front recovery fixings?

The older series style D-rings or the Nakatanenga eyes that mount to the top of the bumper look good. However, I haven't seen any guidance on the rating of these items on any of the shops selling them.

I'm not expecting to do load calcs when performing a recovery, but it would be nice to know what the safe limits are of these items when fitted correctly to a standard chassis.

Thanks

14th Apr 2021 9:04pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

I think you'll be lucky to find load ratings for any bolt on recovery points, to be honest. Failures seem to be few and far between though, and many of them due to corrosion of the mounting rather than failure of the point itself.

It's worth noting that the Series style D rings won't fit if you have A/C.

The Nakatanenga ones are interesting but it always strikes me that their holes are quite small and don't seem to allow for any pull beyond the straight ahead without undue strain it.

I've seen a few people that have modified the LR guard to fit JATE rings by cutting the top corners of the plate away. It doesn't solve the issue of them being in a rubbish place though, tucked away down under the bumper. Darren

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15th Apr 2021 5:39am

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 4216

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

Rated recovery points seems to be an Australian thing. Over here we just seem to trust that whoever welded them up knew what they were doing, but that’s the way it is. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

15th Apr 2021 7:23am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17444

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

I think that the only genuinely-rated attachments you will find are those intended to be used for towing, for example the two DB jaws on this front bumper:

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The mounting of these is of course not rated.

Remember that recovery points are not lifting points, therefore there is no particular need for them to be rated, and also your average user will have not the slightest idea what load they actually applying to them.

There are actually six front attachment points on the vehicle in the photo above.

15th Apr 2021 8:33am

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2530

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

I had the same problem after fitting a steering guard. Ideally I would have opted for jate rings but in the end decided to fit Nakatanenga recovery eyes to the front bumper mounts.

I've only used them once for a straight tow without any problems but like LRA says I would only like to use them for a straight recovery and definitely not snatch. I worked on the assumption that they were better than nothing as long as common sense was employed.

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15th Apr 2021 9:20am

Blue

Member Since: 13 Aug 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 43

Good to hear from a user of the Nakatanenga eyes! Discomog, do those just use the existing bumper bolts?

And thanks to others for the explanation on the ratings - as guessed my experience of tackle comes from the lifting world.

Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but should the worst happen I'm not convinced 'good faith' would cut it? Everything else in the chain has a safe working load stamped on it, with guidance on safe working practice in the public domain.

Thanks

15th Apr 2021 6:04pm

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2530

Hi Blue, they use the pair of original bumper fixings plus an addition pair at the front which necessitates drilling the bumper Defender 90XS SW
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15th Apr 2021 7:41pm

Roy5695

Member Since: 15 Feb 2014
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 1123

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Indus Silver

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18th Apr 2021 9:02pm

macfrank

Member Since: 05 Nov 2015
Location: somewhere in the north
Posts: 1081

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

I went for the "Naka style", too, but made by gmb-mount (note the different or rather missing weld seam and different bolts). So far same experience as discomog.
I ordered directly off gmb. When I asked gmb about a Working Load Limit, they said there were no standardised measurements and they couldn't give a figure. Somehow I came to the conclusion they should at least stand 2t WLL. Naka states a Breaking Load of 15t, so 2..3t WLL could be realistic.

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19th Apr 2021 7:52pm

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