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| Pilgrimmick Member Since: 16 Nov 2015 Location: Highlands Posts: 582  
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Just use blue food dye, costs pennies. 80" 1948
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12th May 2020 3:41pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4798 
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Screw fix or any builders merchants should have it in stock. If your struggling to find it pm and I will see what I can sort out for you
https://www.screwfix.com/p/monument-tools-...tid=726661 2015 HT XS 90 2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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12th May 2020 5:34pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2664 
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Many thanks, ordered some fom toolstation, just waitinf for the text to say I can go and collect 110 D250 SE HT
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13th May 2020 11:34am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Just wondering how you got on with this?
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26th Feb 2021 9:45am |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2664
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Found the dye and dumped it down the outlet pipe of the tank. It took 24hrs to seep through and come out of the wall. So I'm content the pathway of water is formed. But it's coming through to fast.
Roll forward and since my experiment we've had a couple of heavy downpours. Funnily enough 12-18hrs aftyer the rain we get a deluge of water through our wall. The pressure can force the water out so it comes out about an inch before it drops. So a proper fountain. We've since discovered that our house and next door which is up the lane are both built on bedrock, so we think the surface water from the field behind next door is hitting bedrock and then surfacing in my garden, and with no where to go it comes out my wall. When we moved in, we approached the farmer to buy a sliver of field, about 1/5th acre. But because we wanted it for garden he refused point blank. Roll forward and because it's the water from their field that's causing the problem they are now amenable to selling a smaller sliver of land. I've approached a ground works company and it seems we can move our drainfield with no issues or problem from the EA, they even suggested not talking to the EA, as we don't need a permit because we improving an existing system and installing new. So just waiting on land agents from the farmers side to value the land and then see where we go. But I'm expecting a heavy bill. Bad farmland around here is valued at between £6-8K and acre. So I'm expecting it to be a bit more than that for a 1/5 acre. But we'll see 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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1st Mar 2021 9:16pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Thanks ~ useful to know for us with similar arrangements.
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2nd Mar 2021 6:42am |
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| Pilgrimmick Member Since: 16 Nov 2015 Location: Highlands Posts: 582
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Is the farmer not responsible for drainage on his land? Think he may need to have adequate drainage to prevent problems on neighbouring properties. 80" 1948
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2nd Mar 2021 7:36am |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2664
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Not sure. Is the farmer responsible for water from his fields?
I can't categorically prove its water from his fields. But the water only runs from our wall after a downpour. We live on a lane, the lane joins another road at a T junction above our neighbours. We are the only 2 properties on this side of the lane. A pants description but it's hard to accurately describe my location. Anyway, neighbours house is on a level plane to the field but recently their garden has become very wet after heavy rain. We live in a high clay content area, so drainage is never going to be great. Both our propertys are built on bedrock or very close to it. My thought process is, the water in the fields is draining down into the ground, hitting the bedrock and then following this and then because our garden is above the road level and my drive is at road level, the only way for the water to disperse is through our wall. Bizarrely the field next to us is fairly dry in the corner that I want to purchase. So looking at the different methods of achieving a drainfield. Looking like a crate system will be the cheapest option to have fitted 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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3rd Mar 2021 11:49am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Perhaps not, but if you could do the dye test from his land, or find a way to demonstrate that it was, then it might depend on what he does on the field, if he ploughs it, or has put land drains in elsewhere? There must be a reason the water is flowing now and was not previously? Well maybe other than the two particularly wet periods we've had in recent years.
"The escape of water from land is generally covered by the law of private nuisance. A private nuisance occurs where someone does something they are lawfully entitled to do on their land, which has adverse consequences for a neighbour’s land. The three categories of private nuisance are where (a) the owner encroaches on his neighbour’s land, (b) causes physical damage to a neighbour’s land, or (c) unduly interferes with a neighbour’s comfortable and convenient enjoyment of their land. Many classic examples of the second kind of private nuisance involve flooding or damp. A person is not ordinarily liable for rainwater that accumulates naturally and flows downhill, but if someone interferes with the course of a stream, they must ensure that the new course does not overflow on to a neighbour’s land. Therefore, it is a nuisance to allow a drain to become blocked or make a concrete paved driveway so water overflows on to adjacent land. The person causing the overflow and the owner of the land will be liable. For example, in the 1960 case of Pemberton v Bright, a local authority altered a culvert on private land, which later became blocked and overflowed. The Court of Appeal found that the council and the landowner were liable, the one for causing the nuisance and the other for continuing or adopting it." https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-neig...-z5fg29g0s Raising any of this may of course be counterproductive to your current negotiations, something which you are probably already well aware of. |
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3rd Mar 2021 12:55pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2664
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I think that if I make waves with the water issue currently then it will be counter productive as you say. I need to buy the land, move my drainfield and then revisit the water issue. If I address it now, they may just block the sale of the land and make me use the Deed of Covenant, which would be a pain 110 D250 SE HT
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4th Mar 2021 12:55pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6105 
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You've got enough of them coming out of your wall!  |
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4th Mar 2021 6:58pm |
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| Chicken George Member Since: 03 Mar 2021 Location: York Posts: 7
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The farmer and his agent are likely to price the land according to perceived uplift of your properties value, rather than the value of farmland.
Just saying Is the water running off the surface of his land due to altered/bad farming practice. Or underground due to local geology. Yes I am a farmer,. But I'm not taking sides, just discussing |
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4th Mar 2021 7:51pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2664
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I agree about value of land, but there is precedent in the area for sensible pricing. I've spoken to a farmer who sold small parcels of land and to people who have purchased. It seems the area I would like should be in the region of £5K. But we'll see.
The farms estate manager and the land agent both understand the water issue is being caused by water from their land so hope that goes in my favour. As to bad farming practices, I can't comment, but in the 3yrs I've been here they haven't changed anything. But the field I think is causing the problem is super wet and has been for 18 months. the field below it has a huge wet streak down in, possibly 30m wide and runes for 100m. When we had the snow it didn't settle there due to the wetness. Also when I go to the next door neighbours stables, and look back up at the field you can see the wet area like a black and white field contrast. So my thought is it's geology rather than bad practices. The ditch between the upper and lower field is full and collapsed, the banks have fallen in and it can't do it's job. In my mind, digging the ditch out and a couple of land drains would solve the issue but because it's a tenant farmer he's not interested. So we're just in a waiting game now 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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8th Mar 2021 11:46am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It can work both ways though. Sometimes, there's an upper ceiling to house prices in an area, and adding land will actually do very little to that value if there isn't any headroom. |
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8th Mar 2021 12:53pm |
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