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Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
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Evoque Sales in Europe 2020

So both good news and bad news.

Good news being only 2% down on previous year's sales in a market down 16%.

Bad news being, in a niche JLR have said they created, just look at how the big players in Merc, Audi and BMW have pushed them aside; and then there's Volvo, riding on a huge high. What differentiates them from the rest?

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Car Industry Analysis (@lovecarindustry) Tweeted:

3/3: Premium C-SUVs found 395,000 new clients, down 16%. A big hit the #VolvoXC40, which also became the top selling premium vehicle in Europe.

#carindustryanalysis #felipemunoz #suv #csuv #compactsuv #carsales #carstats #volkswagentiguan #nissanqashqai #peugeot3008 https://t.co/ALXWZGaqhO https://twitter.com/lovecarindustry/status...99331?s=20

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4th Feb 2021 8:57am

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2655

At a guess....and my 2 pence

Small Mercedes look laughable

The Audi’s recent designs are too angular and don’t look as soft and sleek as they used to be

The BMW just looks hideous

The Volvo looks modern, practical, ready for work and play and the interior looks amazing.

And finally the Evoque ( my wife had one for a few years) just does not stand out against the Discovery Sport in terms of family practicality nor the Velar in terms of looks. Again wifey has had/ has these as well.

The Evoque is a better two person car, not a family steed ...

4th Feb 2021 10:32am

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
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They sold 60k Discovery Sports worldwide in that period, that’s surely a more direct XC40 rival.

4th Feb 2021 11:54am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

This is just Europe ~ Evoque worldwide sold over 70k.

Philip wrote:
They sold 60k Discovery Sports worldwide in that period, that’s surely a more direct XC40 rival.

Disco Sport is classed as one tier up D-SUV Premium and so in same tier as XC60.

And XC40, indeed all XC models dwarf LR competitors:

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Car Industry Analysis (@lovecarindustry) Tweeted:

Despite the circumstances, #Volvo Cars was able to post a moderate drop of 6% last year. The positive contribution of #VolvoXC40 helped to offset the big loses registered by the S90/V90 models and the discontinuation of #VolvoV40. Almost half of Volvo sales occurred in Europe.

https://t.co/caBrfkUEVJ https://twitter.com/lovecarindustry/status...24963?s=20

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4th Feb 2021 12:40pm

derbywill

Member Since: 25 Mar 2010
Location: Derbyshire
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Out of that list I would prefer the XC40, my partner has a V40 and we've looked at the XC and they are very nice indeed, and if anything like the V40 pretty good build quality aswell (don't talk to me about door catches tho).

My problem with the LR range at the moment is they all look the same! (except the Defender) the front end styling from a Disco sport upto the Range Rover are so similar nothing really sets them apart. You used to be able to tell a Disco from a Range Rover, now you need to look for the badge. The new Defender is growing on me and is my choice out of the whole LR range, but if they still did a Disco 4 it would have to be that.

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4th Feb 2021 12:41pm

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2655

Volvo spoke a couple of years back about reducing the top speed of all of their cars to 100mph to help reduce emissions.

Did anything come of this?

4th Feb 2021 12:59pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

Yes, all new Volvos are limited to 180 km/h.

Volvo have nailed what people want/need from a family car - but having the use of a newish, high-spec XC90, there’s very little satisfaction in actually driving it. It’s also miles away from a Discovery or RR in terms of SUV-style ability - really just a tall estate car.

But let’s carry on kicking JLR.

4th Feb 2021 1:14pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Quite literally the first words in the thread:

Supacat wrote:
So both good news...

Do you suppose someone makes up the sales figures just to make JLR look bad?

But let’s carry on waving a flag for JLR, whilst senior managers pay themselves £ millions, devalue the brand, lose record sums of money, have reliability low and warranty costs sky high, put a halo model out of production for 10s of months, offshore production, and pay ridiculously low wages to employees to build "premium" models?

4th Feb 2021 1:27pm

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