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Digger2000

Member Since: 19 Sep 2020
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 590

Yes I like that and was considering doing the same, looks a bit more rugged

25th Jan 2021 11:29pm

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

lohr500 wrote:

But yet, Jeep (Wrangler), Mercedes (G Wagen), Suzuki (Jimny), and Ford (New Bronco) all seem capable of producing vehicles that meet 21st century construction regulations, whilst still retaining their classic design lineage

Those four are good examples, because each one of them is as far away from an authentic utility vehicle as it’s possible to get.

The Wrangler is just a leisure toy that only Americans would buy (and 1* NCAP isn’t really cutting it in the 21st Century), the Jimny (as likeable as it may be) is of no real use for anything at all. The Bronco is another marketing-led pastiche - literally a T6 Ranger in a frock with some camp accessories, whilst the W463A G Class is possibly the most cynical new car you can buy - a car which will never, ever go off-road, will never be available in commercial or utility form, but is compromised by the sort of underpinnings you’d expect in a £25k pickup, all in an attempt to give it the credibility it will never have.

26th Jan 2021 1:21am

J77

Member Since: 04 Nov 2019
Location: Fife
Posts: 3395

Fat Cog wrote:
The 90 is growing on me! I've been looking at the configurator & have been trying to work out whether or not the full height bulkhead on the HT is standard fitment & I'm assuming it can easily be removed?

The full bulkhead is standard fit, not sure how easily it can be removed. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue

26th Jan 2021 6:45am

Gareth

Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 1102

That 90 looks lovely. The blue suits it well. 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy
1968 S2a 88 aka Bob
2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged.

26th Jan 2021 7:56am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

Philip wrote:
lohr500 wrote:

But yet, Jeep (Wrangler), Mercedes (G Wagen), Suzuki (Jimny), and Ford (New Bronco) all seem capable of producing vehicles that meet 21st century construction regulations, whilst still retaining their classic design lineage

Those four are good examples, because each one of them is as far away from an authentic utility vehicle as it’s possible to get.

The Wrangler is just a leisure toy that only Americans would buy (and 1* NCAP isn’t really cutting it in the 21st Century), the Jimny (as likeable as it may be) is of no real use for anything at all. The Bronco is another marketing-led pastiche - literally a T6 Ranger in a frock with some camp accessories, whilst the W463A G Class is possibly the most cynical new car you can buy - a car which will never, ever go off-road, will never be available in commercial or utility form, but is compromised by the sort of underpinnings you’d expect in a £25k pickup, all in an attempt to give it the credibility it will never have.

I do like that summary and in fairness its true

Dont forget how much the G-Wagon costs

The problem with Defender old to new...it was never really iterated because of money, opinion and sales...so there wasnt any natural evolution - i think it wouldn't look too dissimilar if it had changed, compare the RR Classic to the FFRR Mike

26th Jan 2021 8:27am

SJT

Member Since: 18 Jan 2021
Location: Somerset
Posts: 27

J77 wrote:
Fat Cog wrote:
The 90 is growing on me! I've been looking at the configurator & have been trying to work out whether or not the full height bulkhead on the HT is standard fitment & I'm assuming it can easily be removed?

The full bulkhead is standard fit, not sure how easily it can be removed.

I'm also waiting with interest to see if the bulkhead can be removed on a 90HT. I've got one on order anyway but it will be so much easier to reach my lunchbox in the back if it can be removed..! D5. Previously 90HT, D4, D4, D4, D2, D1 (3 door V8!)

26th Jan 2021 8:32am

Muddybigdog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 1017

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

I do cringe at the thought of how long will it be before we start seeing the new Defenders being sold for less money than the old defender? Back of an envelope modelling of current residuals it’s about 3 years we will see a 3 year old defender worth less than a 13 year old defender, especially if residuals for the old model remain.

Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200
Puma 90 XS - Sold
D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold)
Freelander 2 HSE - Sold
Freelander 1 - Sold
Disco 2 - Sold

26th Jan 2021 8:37am

Fat Cog

Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Oxfordshire & Devon
Posts: 502

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

SJT wrote:
J77 wrote:
Fat Cog wrote:
The 90 is growing on me! I've been looking at the configurator & have been trying to work out whether or not the full height bulkhead on the HT is standard fitment & I'm assuming it can easily be removed?

The full bulkhead is standard fit, not sure how easily it can be removed.

I'm also waiting with interest to see if the bulkhead can be removed on a 90HT. I've got one on order anyway but it will be so much easier to reach my lunchbox in the back if it can be removed..!

SJT...keep us posted, as you may be one of the first to get a 90 HT Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains

26th Jan 2021 8:40am

DSL

Member Since: 20 Aug 2007
Location: Wandering the wasteland.
Posts: 837

SJT wrote:
J77 wrote:
Fat Cog wrote:
The 90 is growing on me! I've been looking at the configurator & have been trying to work out whether or not the full height bulkhead on the HT is standard fitment & I'm assuming it can easily be removed?

The full bulkhead is standard fit, not sure how easily it can be removed.

I'm also waiting with interest to see if the bulkhead can be removed on a 90HT. I've got one on order anyway but it will be so much easier to reach my lunchbox in the back if it can be removed..!

And removing the window blanks. The bulkhead looks like it would be easy to remove but I would be very interested re whether the window covers could be removed. Then the 90HT would be ideal for me but for 2 things, my Oztent wouldn’t fit and the pesky 50mph speed limit on single carriageway roads. The speed averaging cameras on the A9 make that a little bit of an issue.

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26th Jan 2021 8:41am

SN

Member Since: 29 Jun 2007
Location: SK6
Posts: 729

So whats the price delta for that extra 10mph on a 90 rather than a 90HT? Steve N | 21MY Defender

| 08MY Discovery 3 (history)

| 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)

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26th Jan 2021 8:47am

Gareth

Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 1102

You say residuals will reverse, well they probably will. The original Defenders are classics. The best of the original unmolested examples will always be sought after.

Not sure about the rusty leaky, raised springs and big wheel brigade though. 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy
1968 S2a 88 aka Bob
2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged.

26th Jan 2021 8:48am

Farmerben

Member Since: 16 Jan 2017
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 605

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green

J77 wrote:
Another 90 video, pretty much my spec.

That's pretty much my ideal spec too. Can't see me ever replacing my 90 but I definitely want something a little more comfortable for road trips now. My other half has firmly stated we are not doing Scotland again in the Old 'Fender. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews

26th Jan 2021 9:06am

DSL

Member Since: 20 Aug 2007
Location: Wandering the wasteland.
Posts: 837

What’s the camera above the rear number plate? Part of the towing assistance gubbins?

26th Jan 2021 9:14am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

The reverse camera Mike

26th Jan 2021 9:34am

Simon Audi

Member Since: 19 Nov 2020
Location: Newport
Posts: 544

Its the standard rear view camera on all of them

The one in the ariel is the Mirror Camera

Can someone explain the Tax and Speed comments about buying the HT?

I would buy it for private use.... and had not thought about restrictions..

26th Jan 2021 9:34am

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