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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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I thought this would be SVO, but it isn't:
 Click image to enlarge "Electric Range Rovers that upcycle models built between 1970 and 1974 are to go into production costing from £245,000 plus taxes. Silverstone-based Lunaz said today (Dec 7) it would be creating an initial run of 50 of the luxury SUVs. They’ll be offered in Town and Country specification, with design director Jen Holloway and her team working closely with customers to tailor the car to their exact requirements. First deliveries are expected next summer. Lunaz founder David Lorenz said: ‘In the face of a challenging year that restricts every business’s ability to collaborate globally, we have drawn even more intensely on the extraordinary talent pool that exists in Silverstone – Britain’s automotive and technology manufacturing heartland. Electric vehicle market share hits 9.1 per cent in November as diesel sales lag behind ‘We are proud to fly the flag for our nation’s leadership in cutting-edge zero-emissions technologies and more traditional automotive engineering skills on the global stage.’ He added: ‘By 2030, when the UK ban on internal combustion engine car sales will come into effect, there will be two billion ICE vehicles on the planet. ‘Without conversion to electric, this will represent mass redundancy of finite resources that could otherwise be reused. ‘Our approach answers the urgent need to extend the life of these vehicles for future generations. ‘We designed inherent flexibility within our approach to upcycling the world’s most celebrated cars. UK’s first electric car charging forecourt opens in Essex with space for 36 EVs ‘The commencement of production of the first electric classic Range Rovers demonstrates the scope of vehicles that can be re-engineered and given an entirely new life through conversion to our proprietary electric powertrain.’ The conversion process will include a full bare metal restoration plus re-engineering. Town spec will see increased focus on rear-seat and driver comfort, while the Country model will include a four-wheel-drive system plus updated suspension including anti-roll bars and uprated brakes. Roofless options will also be available." https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/pr...000/210373 |
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7th Dec 2020 12:42pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2623  
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I have come to the conclusion that the future is the preserve of the rich only.
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7th Dec 2020 1:23pm |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5842 
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£245,000
 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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7th Dec 2020 1:33pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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Could this be JLR’s way to avoid battery power for big heavy SUV’s in the future? It’s been known for a while that they have not been happy with BEV as the way forward for their vehicles.
Hydrogen power: Firms join forces in bid to lower costs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55218573 Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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8th Dec 2020 11:06am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3259 
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Lunaz make some amazing cars. I saw one of their EV XK120's at Silverstone and it was stunning.
https://lunaz.design WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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8th Dec 2020 12:40pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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It's hard to see what JLR bring to the hydrogen party even if they are involved in Project Zeus. Compare and contrast with Ineos ~ https://www.defender2.net/forum/post869192...gen#869192. Either way, I can't see hydrogen being an answer for the average car user when compared with electric. |
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8th Dec 2020 12:50pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1315
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If the filling infrastructure was in place, the vehicle and fuel pricing was similar to current diesel/petrol and reliability was good, then I could see hydrogen as a viable alternative to electricity.
When I drive around and look at the number of owners vehicles parked on the streets in rural villages with no ability to park next to their houses, I scratch my head wondering how they would ever be able to charge up an electric vehicle. And I still worry about the long term reliability of the battery packs and the phenomenal cost to replace. When you look at the advances in electric vehicles over the past ten years, it has been amazing. If hydrogen followed the same trajectory, then why wouldn't it be a viable alternative? |
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8th Dec 2020 1:09pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I think it's a steep curve for the infrastructure ~ far more so than say petrol or diesel due to the nature of the product. I've read that a pump currently can only dispense 80kg per day, with the average refill being 5kg, and people in the US having to wait 30 plus minutes after two refills, for the nozzles to defrost.
Sure technology could overcome these issues with enough attention but the fundamental nature of the product makes the economics that much harder. From the article linked above: "Its storage requires compression to 700 times atmospheric pressure, refrigeration to -253C… It carries one quarter the energy per unit volume of natural gas… It can embrittle metal, it escapes through the tiniest leaks and yes, it really is explosive.” Solution for the village: Click image to enlarge and if there are not enough lamposts, then there are other ways to get the cables to streetside. |
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8th Dec 2020 2:05pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2142 
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Ignoring the emissions issues of the unobatnium batteries and massive amount of power stations to run them.....
Whatever the future is its not Electric IMO, Porshe looking at synthesised fuels also https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/tec...uel-efuel/ |
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8th Dec 2020 8:31pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I think you have to say the future, for most users, is electric, not because it is best necessarily, but because of the amount of money all the major manufacturers are pouring into it. They will make it work and there will not be mainstream alternatives.
The ship has sailed. |
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8th Dec 2020 9:48pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2142
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Then as a generation we have simply consigned the world to further pain........
This quote sums it up for me....... "Not sure when the realisation will dawn with the masses that we can't 'new build' our way out of the environmental issues and that the latest shiny thing is actually making it worse, not better." |
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8th Dec 2020 9:53pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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The article you quote states: "Like other brands, Porsche cites electrification as the future of sustainable transport: but eFuels speed up this process by reducing the pollution of ICE and hybrid powertrains." It's a cheap point but I can't help thinking the last time a German company got involved in synthetic fuel production...and how that ended. having said that, places like Brazil have been manufacturing fuel for ICE vehicles for many, many years. |
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9th Dec 2020 10:01am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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The article you quote states: "Like other brands, Porsche cites electrification as the future of sustainable transport: but eFuels speed up this process by reducing the pollution of ICE and hybrid powertrains." It's a cheap point but I can't help thinking the last time a German company got involved in synthetic fuel production...and how that ended. Core issue with all energy intensive alternatives is as stated by Mercedes research and development boss Markus Schäfer : " Explaining his reservations concerning synthetic fuels, Schäfer said: “If you have an abundance of energy, the best use is to put it directly into a battery. To transform green energy into an e-fuel is a process where you lose a lot of efficiency." https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...ble-option Having said that, places like Brazil have been manufacturing fuel for ICE vehicles for many, many years. |
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9th Dec 2020 10:02am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3259
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Porsche are all in for EV's and I'm sure they would have been buoyed by last months sales figures which showed the Taycan as their biggest seller. WARNING.
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9th Dec 2020 5:15pm |
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