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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17344   
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More than that, even, for very many years in the early days of racing (certainly as late as WW2) the philosophy behind driver safety was that the earlier in the accident that the driver was thrown out the greater the chance of his survival, since chances of survival were thought to be better outside the car than in. That was in an era when a strong steering wheel was considered a safety feature, since if it flexed the top of the column would shatter your rib-cage. If it didn't flex the load was spread over a larger area. Vehicle safety, and racing car safety in particular, has come an unbelievably long way to reach the point when you can project yourself through ARMCO at 170mph (at least that was what one report said), setting yourself on fire in the process, and walk away afterwards! |
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30th Nov 2020 3:58pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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All the pundits were speculating that the fuel caused the fire......... but these cars also have KERS and a big HV battery underneath the driver and people have been worried about battery fires in everyday electrified vehicles for a number of years - I wonder if the chassis breaking in two and causing battery damage had some bearing on the ferocity of the fire.
Having done at least 8 Merchant Navy fire fighting courses in my time and had burned wrists (which were actually scalded wrists) I wonder if the gloves Grosjean was wearing will be re-designed - when I saw the photo of him sat up on the hospital bed with his fingers all dressed with burn dressings I wonder if he removed his gloves to assist with getting out of the cockpit...... or to help him remove the steering wheel thing Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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30th Nov 2020 4:30pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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They might be right ~ he appears to have climbed out without his left boot. Maybe he was actually trapped by it briefly.? |
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30th Nov 2020 4:50pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Reminded me of Chucky from Sons of Anarchy 
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30th Nov 2020 4:56pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Meanwhile, in a game of football:
Raul Jimenez: Wolves striker 'comfortable' after fractured skull operation Click image to enlarge https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11...-operation |
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30th Nov 2020 5:05pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17344
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I bet that during the "getting out" part of the process he was one of the most motivated people on earth!
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30th Nov 2020 5:27pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4204 
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Even considering the very high standard of car safety it's close to a miracle that he escaped with relatively minor injuries. If he had lost consciousness, come to rest in a slightly different orientation or it had happened on any other lap in the race without the medical car being so close it may have been a different story entirely.
What amazes me most is that he was engulfed for almost 30 seconds yet wasn't overwhelmed by the smoke/fumes and was still able walk away. I'm glad he's ok. I think I've seen pretty much every televised GP since 1983, and some before that, and this was the first time in a long time that I felt that uneasy feeling that we might be watching something fatal. I'm sure the FIA will take a good look at what happened, but for me there are a few areas of concern. What caught fire and why, should the car have broken in 2 and were the barriers adequate? I understand that it can be useful for energy dissipation for the cars to lose some parts during a collision, but I'd like to know if where the car broke, was an appropriate, or did then lead to exposing whatever caught fire. The barriers where the collision occurred seems at a strange angle to me, running towards the track, especially as it has no tyres or anything in front of it. It reminds me of the big MotoGP crash at the Red Bull Ring earlier this year, where an out of control bike hit a piece of barrier angled towards the track as well. Also, something needs to be done to stop the cars piercing the barrier, but the cost of that will fall to circuit owners. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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30th Nov 2020 6:39pm |
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| Daisy90 Member Since: 01 Feb 2015 Location: Hampshire Posts: 845 
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There’s a lot of things that made this a good “ on the scheme of it “ outcome
But one thing that stuck out was 59 G on impact !!!!! Wowser  |
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30th Nov 2020 6:42pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3484 
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I don't usually have a lot of sympathy for footballers as they usually roll around on the floor, get the free kick / penalty then jump up as if nothing had happened, but you have to feel for this Guy. Not the kind of thing that is thankfully seen in football. Glad he looks as if he is recovering well. Heads are not things to be messed with. Still wincing thinking about that |
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30th Nov 2020 7:47pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Actually, when I tried to google the story, having just heard a brief headline on the radio, I was shocked to see how many similar stories were pulled up!
Put that together with the dementia stories about long term heading of the ball, and football must be getting on for one of the most "less safe" professional sports. Maybe because the risks are less understood or perceived. Hamilton posted: "The risk we take is no joke, for those of you out there who forget that we put our life on the line in this sport and for what we love to do." It seems that F1 has been relatively good at both reducing the liklihood of a risk and, as shown with this latest incident, the consequence. It seems odd that it was some of the teams that put up most resistance to the introduction of the system in the first place. |
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1st Dec 2020 7:05am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3484
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A few years back, it was reported that young players starting an apprentiship at professional football clubs had picked so many injuries up through their childhood that teams were unwilling to take them on.
This was thought to be because the children were playing far to many games and training without professional help whilst their bodies were still forming and growing and irreparable damage had been done. The dementia stories are very worrying. Things are better now that the balls aren’t leather and weigh a ton when wet, but to a child’s head, it could still be dangerous. |
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1st Dec 2020 8:41am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Heading balls has been banned in under 12's football in England, Scotland and NI earlier this year. Not sure why Wales isn't included. Anyway, awareness of the problem is at least starting to take hold. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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1st Dec 2020 8:46am |
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