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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149   
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I certainly get where you're coming from. But folks do love controversy. Personally I don't even check the 2020 Defender section anymore. 2011 110 USW
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1st Nov 2020 7:57pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20412
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Couldn’t agree more and no, you’re not the only one thinking exactly the same. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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1st Nov 2020 8:11pm |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3754
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I noticed the other day I logged on and the top few posts were for the 2020 defender...
but just like the TV, I don't have to open them I guess 
they are new and people are I guess joining to ask questions and seeing what accessories fit them etc. ooh and posting pictures, I like to see these
I actually like Tim's posts as he has a new one but kept the proper one also, so good to get his view on things. At the end of the day its a Defender forum, possibly more misleading to new owners searching the net as its Defender 2 so could be seen as a 'new' forum for the new models. I post in the series part with my other car so I guess its the same really with people joining with Defenders and Pumas..they may not want to look at these posts? I still enjoy the forum and enjoy the mixture of posts even though quite a few now have moved to the likes of facebook.  |
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1st Nov 2020 8:18pm |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592
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Its one of the best forums, it has suffered a little since the 2020 was launched (which is the reason I am on here). I think it will settle down though, the sister site disco3.co.uk went through some issues with the D4 launch with a lot of debate as to setting up a separate section etc. it went even further with the d5.
People have strong opinions on this subject at the moment, over time I do think it will settle just like the other sites and people will just read the sections they are interested in. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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1st Nov 2020 8:22pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2527 
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I've quite enjoyed reading about the 2020 and judging by the comments I'm glad I haven't ordered one! I do think that the 2020 is a different animal and bears no resemblance to the Series or the iconic Defender and therefore I would like to see the 2020 migrate to a separate forum. Let's face it we have enough problems with the Puma without hearing all about the software problems on the 2020
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1st Nov 2020 8:42pm |
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| AndyT66 Member Since: 19 Sep 2016 Location: Bedford Posts: 148  
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I have thought about this subject but for me if it's a Defender it belongs on this forum no mater what year it was manufactured. I would however like to see a few more of the new ones appearing in "dogs and defenders" pictures section. It's about time our trusty old friends had their pictures on the bonnets, hanging out the passenger window and ones with muddy paws in the back.
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1st Nov 2020 8:43pm |
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| Nidge Member Since: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Kildare Ireland Posts: 818  
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Agree with Sulisuli, I'm on this forum since the start and I know Martins original intention was that this forum was intended for the new defender which didn't arrive until recently.
But there is such a hugh distance between the new and old I feel the new defender needs its own section. Judging by the new daily posts alot of the original defender owners are losing interest and in my opinion the forum sadly isn't what it once was.... 
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1st Nov 2020 8:50pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2651 
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There are over 30 subsections of this forum, only 1 is related to the new Defender. Hardly being taken over?
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1st Nov 2020 8:54pm |
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| Darcy Fairfax Member Since: 05 Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 721 
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Agree with Sulisuli.
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1st Nov 2020 9:54pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2640 
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Better get used to it and embrace the New Defender.
As soon as the councils clock how to make money out of the motorists after covid expect a free run to introduce LEZ and ULEZ zones. Look at London, they are already talking of extending the current area. Its easy to dismiss London if you don't live there but when it lands on your own doorstep ...... Do you have a plan, i don't. Lets enjoy the experience of others because you never know PS, Tim in Scotland, keep up the good work. |
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1st Nov 2020 9:59pm |
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| jaygti Member Since: 04 Nov 2012 Location: essex Posts: 378
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I don’t bother reading any threads involving the 2020 defender any more.
But it doesn’t bother me that they’re on here either. The original Defender threads are a bit lacking at the moment, but surely that’s the fault of us current owners. 2002 td5 90 county hardtop |
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1st Nov 2020 10:00pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20412
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Markb’s post above is the type of posts as to why D2 is being ignored by many native users and not used by many on and off for exactly that attitude.
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1st Nov 2020 10:15pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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My 20p’s worth
I’ve been here since the start of the forum in 2007 bar one month I think. I’m also a member of RRSport, BabyRR, Disco3, FullFat and Disco5 forums either because I owned those models or was considering buying them. When the L494 forum was started for the 2nd Gen RRS it died a death because many members wanted to continue posting in the original forum as they mostly had owned the 1st gen cars too. So it makes sense sometimes to keep everything together for quite different generations of cars with the same name but that look completely different. It also helps new members and lurkers find a single forum for all versions of the marque. I appreciate that there are some here who wish LR had never produced the new Defender and it should be killed off or renamed but things have to advance and that was the way that LR chose to go, you accept it or you don’t. I also appreciate that we all use different ways to access the various subsections of the forum and some do it by sorting new posts from the last xx hours rather than going in through the home page to see which sections have new posts in them. If you access from the home page you can click on the 2020 section title to hide all the subsections so you don’t have to see what’s new there. We all own or admire what are generically called Land Rovers, be they a Series1,2,3, Land Rover or Defenders and they are all catered for by Martin’s set up of the forum. Lets all live in harmony and respect that what appeals to one member might be a total turn off to another but let’s not slag each other off for what we own/ drive. It could be worse - LR could have built a Kahn style Defender to replace the old style models............ we don’t seem to see many owners of Kahn conversions joining up, probably because they see the bile posted about their cars on this “Defender” forum. Yet those are still Defenders, just remodelled - they do seem to sell well too despite their often eye watering prices. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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1st Nov 2020 10:47pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3506 
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I’m with you Sulisuli
I have noticed that there have been a lot or ‘regular’ contributors been very quiet on here recently which is a shame. This may or may not be due to having new Defender overload but it can’t be a coincidence. It’s a bit disheartening when there are 9 new posts and eight are 2020 Defender related. I do read some of the posts. I am amazed how much people are willing to put up with after spending what I consider to be a small fortune on a new car for it to not work as it should. I must say you are very easily pleased. I would have be spitting out nails  |
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1st Nov 2020 11:00pm |
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