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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206   
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You can’t push start an automatic. Automatics still have neutral. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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26th Oct 2020 9:04am |
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| HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila Posts: 735  
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Pumas CAN be push started.
Automatics cannot, just pushed when in Neutral. Though I remember from somewhere that if you can get an automatic up to about 60kph, you can try starting it then  |
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27th Oct 2020 1:59am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17367 
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It used to be possible to tow start some autos, back in the days when they were all-hydraulic in operation, but only if a rear pump was fitted to the transmission. IIRC the Borg-Warner 35 or 65 was sometimes so fitted.
These were popular on safari motors at one time since they could be tow started provided the TC was properly filled, but you couldn't push start them manually because of the speed necessary. I don't think any of the modern electronic autos can be push or tow started. |
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27th Oct 2020 8:33am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526 
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Blackwolf you are definitely showing your age now. I remember working on the Borg Warner 35's as an apprentice. I don't know what was in that horrible red transmission oil but it sure cleaned your hands after a day stripping down the box. I'd love to have a drive in a car with the BW 35 box and compare it to my modern day 9 speed auto. Defender 90XS SW
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27th Oct 2020 9:41am |
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| NMBRPL8 Member Since: 07 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 145 
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thanks everybody.
nice to know a puma can be push started. any tricks to that? if i park on a slope and run the battery down, could i roll start it? i thought the lack of electronics would intervene |
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27th Oct 2020 9:59am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17367
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I doubt that you could push/tow start a Puma with no electrical power whatsoever, but provided that the battery has some power, even if not enough to crank, it should work.
With no power at all there will be no way to excite the alternator so no power can be generated (so you couldn't tow start it with no battery fitted, for example). In theory you could probably tow start a 200tdi with no battery and get it running, although it might take a bit of fiddling around. |
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27th Oct 2020 10:39am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021  
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not sure why i would use neutral if moving off road Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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27th Oct 2020 5:29pm |
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| ickle Member Since: 22 Jul 2010 Location: South Vendee Posts: 1780  
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IIRC even a 200tdi needs 12v to the fuel solenoid to start it?
Keith |
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27th Oct 2020 6:48pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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Or on road  130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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27th Oct 2020 7:07pm |
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| PeeWee Member Since: 13 Apr 2017 Location: Somersetty Posts: 17  
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"Push starting" a Puma:
10/11 years ago I did an LR Experience in a 2.4 Puma and the instructor was quite clear that it could be bumpstarted on a steep hill. I say "bumpstarted" - brakes on, in gear, ignition on, take the brakes off and it would roll and start without the starter motor. I sem to recall that this was in low ratio as well. |
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20th Aug 2022 7:20pm |
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| County V8 Member Since: 07 Jun 2021 Location: UK Posts: 147
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Wasn't that just to get it back down the hill if it stalled???
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20th Aug 2022 9:35pm |
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| PeeWee Member Since: 13 Apr 2017 Location: Somersetty Posts: 17
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Yes, it was But letting it start itself, without using the startermotor, isn't that different to bumpstarting ?
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21st Aug 2022 6:11am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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No, that is bump starting. It's also a useful technique in reverse on a failed, stalled, hill climb to get back down again. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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21st Aug 2022 6:29am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414  
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You are correct, from 12J engine onwards (change to timing belt driven injection pumps), they had an electrical fuel shut off valve on the injection pump. The valve is normally closed, so the engine will not start unless a 12V is supplied to the solenoid. The 10J as fitted to series and some early coil sprung had a manual shut off. Those can be bump started without a battery. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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21st Aug 2022 8:07am |
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