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PCM

Member Since: 25 Jan 2019
Location: North East
Posts: 874

That video irritated me.

17th Oct 2020 7:03am

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

Naks wrote:
Cheshire110 wrote:
Ouch not very sympathetic driving there! Someone needs to brief him on “slow as possible, fast as necessary”... and yes, weird that the Puma seemed to have TC disabled.

Was it not a case of it being optional in the UK perhaps?

No, by the time that one was built it was standard fit as part of the dsc. There is a dashboard button to turn it off, which presumably they did as not once can the TC be seen activating.
The whole thing comes across as JLR paying for a promotional piece which is not a fair comparison. I'd have loved to have seen proper tests of approach and ramp angles, as we know who would win those... 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

17th Oct 2020 10:30am

MrEleven

Member Since: 15 May 2020
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 112

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17th Oct 2020 11:53am

Ashbyandy

Member Since: 17 Dec 2015
Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 223

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Adventure Phoenix Orange

Just watched it as well. What an irritating t*t. 😫

I’d like to know how much the new defender will cost to keep all the electronics fully functional, after the warranty runs out, say up to about 5 years old, against keeping the original defender fully functional, a whole lot more I‘d expect. I’d also feel a lot more confident taking the (old) defender on a proper and challenging expedition say at 5 years old, than a new one. I’m sure the new one is great, but let’s see what they are both worth against the original OTR price after 5 years.

Ashbyandy

17th Oct 2020 12:35pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

blackwolf wrote:
Let's see how it copes with a snowplough on the front and a cherry-picker in the back.

snowplough on the front and a cherry-picker

17th Oct 2020 12:50pm

Joe the Plumber

Member Since: 18 Dec 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 907

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Fuji White

Genuine question (not trying to be funny).

Is there a dashboard button to turn off the traction control on a 2014 Puma? I've never found one on mine, but I'm intrigued to know if it is actually there.

Thanks folks.

17th Oct 2020 1:29pm

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2638

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

^ no

but a lot of guys here have wired a switch to the fuse for the ABS/TC, so they can switch it off when they want.

personally, I don't see the fuss - learn how to drive with TC, and it will make you look great

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17th Oct 2020 2:07pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

Joe the Plumber wrote:
Genuine question (not trying to be funny).

Is there a dashboard button to turn off the traction control on a 2014 Puma? I've never found one on mine, but I'm intrigued to know if it is actually there.

Thanks folks.

Yes, says dsc and some lines like skid marks. Usually on the top row of the dash buttons. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

17th Oct 2020 2:20pm

Joe the Plumber

Member Since: 18 Dec 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 907

Thanks folks. I wondered what the button blank, top left, on my dash was!

17th Oct 2020 3:02pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

What year and model is yours Joe? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

17th Oct 2020 3:22pm

milesr3

Member Since: 12 Feb 2013
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 873

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Keswick Green

Joe the Plumber wrote:
Is there a dashboard button to turn off the traction control on a 2014 Puma?

Don't the last of the Pumas have proper Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)? Our MY16 has the button to disable it and you get a warning light on the dash.

17th Oct 2020 3:29pm

Joe the Plumber

Member Since: 18 Dec 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 907

22900013A wrote:
What year and model is yours Joe?

2014 110 van (built January 2014).

Hint. Hover over the little image of the vehicle by anyone's user name for details of their vehicle, if they've posted them.

17th Oct 2020 3:33pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3280

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

Joe the Plumber wrote:
Genuine question (not trying to be funny).

Is there a dashboard button to turn off the traction control on a 2014 Puma? I've never found one on mine, but I'm intrigued to know if it is actually there.

Thanks folks.

Easy to add for 2.4 and Td5: https://pace4x4.com/shop/ols/products/defe...ctable-kit

I haven't looked but someone must do a 2.2 version. WARNING.
This post may contain sarcasm.

17th Oct 2020 3:35pm

Devon-Rover

Member Since: 22 Jan 2015
Location: South Devon
Posts: 914

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Aintree Green

From what I have seen MY14 as on a '14 plate will have ETC and ABS as standard, As that's why my "Poverty spec" USW has it. I know of a 2014 '63 'poverty' that didn't have it as standard and they were built 2 weeks apart

yet 2014 on a 64 plate will get ABS ETC and DSC as seen here

https://used.landrover.co.uk/model-defender#/details/3059341

I don't have the DSC which is good as I didn't want it interfering when I know better in certain offroad conditions.

The long and the short is If they showed a 14 plate truck It would of had ETC regardless.

(EDIT) I have watched the video>

Firstly whoever their "expert" is than he is useless. He should know that it does have it

See the advert >> https://www.neneoverland.co.uk/listings/la...ion-wagon/

And he should know that in the type of situation he should of been fairy linear but firm with the throttle to get the system working and for it continue working and not back off the throttle just as it starts to get aggressive to deal with the wheelspin.

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17th Oct 2020 4:07pm

alantd

Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 1513

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

At least he did (some) homework this time. Unlike some other reviews on YouTube, he knew how to use the TR programmes and that the suspension can be further raised when stuck.

I own both old and new. Totally different vehicles with different compromises in different legislative environments. I guess LR has invited these head to head comparisons by using the “Defender” name but it’d have probably happened anyway.

In factory spec, the new Defender is clearly the better car to live with, the safer car to drive, the more capable in ‘weekend warrior’ off road settings.

The old Defender can be modded and/or abused to perform better in extreme situations; will hold its cool and its value for longer; and can be made to perform utility roles than a unibody vehicle isn’t designed for.

I love both.

One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
+ New Defender 110 First Edition

18th Oct 2020 10:24am

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