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| BigCol66 Member Since: 16 Aug 2020 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 36  
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Will do
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16th Aug 2020 7:45pm |
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| oop north Member Since: 23 Mar 2016 Location: Preston-ish Posts: 59
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Am I being unfair? That I think is a very subjective question. It’s all my opinion and I dare say plenty on here will think I am taking nonsense. There are also plenty of people not here who would think it was entirely disgraceful of me to even test drive a Defender as they want any large car on the road at all. There are plenty of EV drivers who think PHEVs are an abomination and should not be allowed. My concern is for JLR - waiting until legislation forces you to do something is very risky - if market sentiment moves against you (and for a warning of that just take note of the increase in ev sales this year, versus a bit of a dip in petrol and a massive drop in diesel Sales). I understand they are hoping to use hydrogen - I am doubtful that will
Work when generating the hydrogen and then back to electricity uses about 3x the electricity that using an EV does. And if you think it’s tricky recharging an ev try filling a hydrogen car. Time will tell |
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16th Aug 2020 8:36pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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I hear you. I honestly do and I don’t really disagree too much. But a good number of those people not on hear that think it disgraceful that you should even test drive a Defender will also contain a good number of people that will take several flights to take their families on holidays abroad over the next decade. Where as I bet there are a good number of people of here and new Defender owners who like me, only holiday in the U.K. or maybe France so that they can take their dogs with them. So we’re not only helping prop up our own economy but also helping towards minimising our global footprint in that way instead. So I think it’s difficult for anyone of them to judge. Cars are my thing. Holidays might be theirs! I’m not judging. But neither do I wish to be judged. Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras!
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16th Aug 2020 9:06pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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The other point is.. because in 2035 the Government is going to ban Petrol, Diesel and all Hybrid/Plug in Hybrid Cars, I don’t see the huge benefit in waiting for the Hybrid Defender. Especially seeing as the new Diesels are now so clean in order to meet the strict EU regulations.. Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras!
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17th Aug 2020 10:42am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3375 
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I’ll move to an EV once I’m pushed, battery tech is getting better every year so I see no point rushing into one. I use public transport if I have to venture into the city anyway.
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17th Aug 2020 4:28pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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I thought that they were banning the sale of NEW petrol/diesel/hybrid vehicles after 2035, not requiring owners of existing ones to scrap them. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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17th Aug 2020 4:40pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Yes that’s my understanding too Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras!
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17th Aug 2020 5:09pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Agreed, Electric cars are still too much in the development stage and too expensive for what they are for me at the moment. And like you, if I go to a big city I either get the train (if it’s a major city) or do a park and ride Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras! |
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17th Aug 2020 5:13pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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Correct only applies to new vehicles - not retrospective. Rgds. Chris |
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17th Aug 2020 5:33pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3375
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Do you think there won’t be hefty premiums to pay after 2035 for the joy of driving an ICE vehicle?? Every motorist will be pushed to EV ownership at some point.
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17th Aug 2020 5:39pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2614  
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Look at Mitsubishi, even though the Outlander has been a huge seller, they have announced that they are pulling out of a Europe because they can’t keep up with the changes needed in the future...... |
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17th Aug 2020 5:39pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Of course there will be. But by 2030 I’m pretty sure I’ll have traded our D240 S in for what ever Electric equivalent they’ve brought out by then so it’ll be our Classic Cars I’m most concerned about on that score. Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras!
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17th Aug 2020 5:41pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772
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Personally I think the premium issue is a false flag - the uptake on new tech. over the next 15 years will be fairly high. The diminishing number of 'fossil fuel' vehicles will have declined - I can see little point in taxing/penalising a small number of people effectively running mostly 'classic' vehicles. Rgds. Chris |
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17th Aug 2020 7:18pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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Canny Scots in this area seem to be taking to EV’s like ducks to water. Unfortunately for JLR they are avoiding the way too expensive IPace and going for Tesla 3’s, Renault Zoe’s and Kia e-Niro’s and there are a lot of 20 plated Kia Souls around too. Most of these are replacing Audi’s,BMW’s and Merc’s. In this village alone there must now be half a dozen Renault Zoe owners and at least 4 Tesla 3’s and a couple of Tesla X’s. Having driven the IPace it’s a pretty good car, just overpriced. With it costing £20 a year to recharge on a public charger as much as you like up here, what’s not to like! I’ve put £300 of diesel into my new Defender in the two months I’ve owned it, that’s £260 more than two years of recharging cost me in the Mini, and the Mini used about £800 of 4* petrol in its 35lt tank in 2 years. During lock down the mIni cost me zero for petrol and zero for electricity even though I was using it weekly to go to the shop in the next village a 10 miles round trip away where there is free charging. I did do home charging but the FIT from my solar panels more than covered the recharging of the Mini’s 7.2kw battery Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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17th Aug 2020 8:13pm |
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