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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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I had imagined you had some fancy technique for balancing the vehicle on throttle and brake as you chucked it into the apex rally style... |
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7th Jul 2020 5:30pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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https://jalopnik.com/kia-vastly-underestim...1844293702 Is this competition for the Defender in the US? Seems they can't make enough of them, planned to make 60,000 per annum, ramped production to over 100,000 and demand is still high. What do our US members think? Any market crossover? |
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7th Jul 2020 6:04pm |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3671 
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Competition for the defender in what way? Both competing for ugliest car of the year?!
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7th Jul 2020 6:23pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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I would imagine that like all other Kia’s it’s a 2WD SUV so there’s no comparison with any Land Rover product. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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7th Jul 2020 8:22pm |
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| Pacha Member Since: 23 Feb 2020 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 772 
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If it was like the last Kia I tried - top of the range was 'faux' leather, nasty plastic and really bad on fuel. Rgds.
Chris |
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7th Jul 2020 8:45pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1315 
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Available as 2WD or 4x4 according to a link within the jalopnik page, but no mention of low range box or any trick suspension set up. So I would agree it's more of a mainstream large SUV than serious off roader. But then again I suspect the vast majority of new Defender owners won't exploit a fraction of their vehicle's capability off the tarmac.
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7th Jul 2020 9:37pm |
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| zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 815 
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well it looks like those in Australia who got their order in early may get there Diesels in 2020, otherwise its a wait
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/deta...HMo6Kf3Cbo yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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8th Jul 2020 1:43am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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It’s been the same here with the Kia E-Niro, New Kia Soul-E and the Hyundai Kona-e - sales were totally underestimated by Kia/ Hyundai leading to waiting lists of many months. Result is still strong demand for what, as cars, are very mediocre vehicles, but as EV’s they are the next most desirable after a Tesla 3. They are well built, sensibly priced and have hugely long warranties. There must be something there that JLR can learn from. Tesla are also in the enviable position of having announced a car that has created huge interest and frustrated customers who want to make a deposit ion the hatchback Model 3 called the Model Y. Tesla have had terrible QC problems but because the car otherwise works and they get on with fixing the problems immediately without beating about the bush they continue to have long long queues of people waiting to buy their cars. In the USA the managed to sell 90,000 T3 and Tesla Y during the pandemic - how many did JLR sell? Oh yes they just shut up shop and took government furlough money. Tesla only closed its California factory because it was forced to by the State Govt, but not because they had COVID in there. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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8th Jul 2020 7:50am |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1315
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Warranty length is an important factor for me when buying a vehicle. But perhaps it isn't for others.
As are regular servicing costs. I guess if you replace your vehicle every three years and/or buy on a PCP type agreement then the warranty doesn't matter a great deal. But if you plan to keep a vehicle for some time, then it does give peace of mind. Particularly given the complexity of modern vehicles. We had so many issues with our D3 in warranty and then out of warranty that we ended up selling it as the worry over ongoing issues wasn't worth the hassle. And the cost of taking out an extended warranty was eyewatering. Add to that JLR's ridiculously high servicing costs for what often amounts to little more than an oil and filter change and the total cost of ownership becomes less and less attractive. I think that's why the likes of Hyundai and Kia do well. Even my Jeep has a five year/60k warranty. It would be interesting to know what % of Land Rover's UK sales are to fleets or private customers on PCP type arrangements. Perhaps they have decided they can get away with just a three year warranty because the % of outright buyers is relatively low. And let's face it, their historic reliability record isn't the best, so a 5 year standard warranty could be an expensive gamble, particularly if it doesn't attract many extra buyers. |
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8th Jul 2020 8:20am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Isn't that the point? For the target market, these vehicles are potential competitors. |
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8th Jul 2020 9:04am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I'm struggling to reconcile the two parts of that; and guessing that for most people those 3 criteria make enough sense to actually purchase. They may not be "driver's cars" but in a time where most cars are now turning into a form of white goods, does it really matter. |
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8th Jul 2020 9:10am |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1315
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Agree.
Looking at the interior photos, it does look like the third row passenger seating is usable by full sized people (unlike 110 from what I have seen in various photos.). And with a reasonable load space behind them even with the third row seating in use. |
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8th Jul 2020 9:11am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Sold out...but JLR paying games again: "Jaguar Land Rover Australia won’t disclose how many vehicles are in its initial allocation of 20MY Defender 110s" Blaming CV19 for 90 delays seems a little off as well, if initial deliveries were expected in October and now pushed back to 2021. The factory was not closed for 3 months. An initial allocation of 100 90s does not seem many at all? |
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8th Jul 2020 9:16am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3389 
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18” Rays Wheels on P400
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8th Jul 2020 11:07am |
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