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| Eppilihp Member Since: 10 Aug 2019 Location: Emmental Posts: 61  
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Well said!
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28th Jun 2020 8:38am |
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| steve E Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Tenby Posts: 2073 
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I don’t think it’ll be under 30k either.
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28th Jun 2020 9:56am |
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| Nidge Member Since: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Kildare Ireland Posts: 815  
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Yea... I love his comment "Land rover shafted us with the new defender "
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28th Jun 2020 10:11am |
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| Will@LRW Member Since: 04 May 2019 Location: UK Posts: 176 
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Cheers. The video isn't so much of a list of demands but just something to try and shift the conversation a bit. I think LR could have made the new Defender appeal if they'd marketed it from an engineering perspective. Granted that isn't the type of market they're going for, but the Grenadier most certainly is, as the more they say the more it is what I want to hear. The discussion around things like independent suspension vs beam axles is moot. Some people want one type, some the other. LR left beam axles behind, so where do the people go who want them? Can't buy the 70 series in the UK. The Grenadier say they've watched my video after a lot of people sent it to them and told me their response. I doubt it'll have an impact as they've probably made their decisions already. Manual transmissions will become a dead technology with the rise of electric vehicles, but a man can dream!  LR Workshop
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28th Jun 2020 10:17pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4192  
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Will - How big a market do you think there still for a utility vehicle above what’s offered by the ubiquitous double cab pick ups and the various Land Cruisers?
I’m struck by how few Land Cruiser commercials you actually see here for example. You seem to have a more international viewpoint. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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29th Jun 2020 6:28am |
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| Will@LRW Member Since: 04 May 2019 Location: UK Posts: 176
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Well the UN fleet of 4x4s and light trucks is estimated between 60,000 and 80,000, then you pile on all the NGOs (ICRC and MSF will have thousands), then there's the Australian mining industry. Maybe the US industries (which have tended to stick to their own if you can crack that market). Then you've got the militaries. There are quite a few countries that use the Defender/Wolf. Some of the big users of Defenders outside the UK are Israel and Mexico.
The 15-20k a year production of the Defender starts to seem quite small compared to that, of which many would be private buyers. The UN would probably replace every 4-5 years, so 20K vehicles a year. They would go for the 70 series for the "boots on the ground" stuff then the 100 series for the armoured, "comfort" vehicles for senior management. LR Workshop Find a Defender's history and spec: https://defender.lrworkshop.com |
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29th Jun 2020 4:04pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2625  
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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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1st Jul 2020 7:08am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2625
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Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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1st Jul 2020 7:09am |
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| Pilgrimmick Member Since: 16 Nov 2015 Location: Highlands Posts: 582
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Certainly looks promising, keeping the classic look, but with some subtle but significant changes. The wheel arch spats are much smaller, so I hope the body is wider, allowing a pallet in the back of the pick up?
Full depth windscreen. Not a fan of the grille, I have always preferred the series look at the front, but this is a minor job to change. Thinks like hinges and trim look more substantial. Would love to test drive one for a month on the farm and see How it behaves and what niggles there are. The engineering, ie; transmission seems to be well thought out. Good effort, just hope it pays off. 80" 1948 Lightweight V8 Bowler Tomcat 130 Station wagon 90 300tdi (Santana PS10 pick up) Range Rover L322 (Ful fat) |
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1st Jul 2020 8:03am |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592
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This could be a whole new lease of life for the likes of Twisted with new product lines. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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1st Jul 2020 8:35am |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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A Defender / Santana / G Wagen love child. I like it.
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1st Jul 2020 8:56am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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Interesting two thirds one third split in the rear door in the first photo, wonder what the reason for that was Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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1st Jul 2020 9:10am |
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| defender9 Member Since: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 1629 
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My thoughts too. I like the G Wagon but always thought it a bit too boxy but this looks to be a good blend of all three, so for me it’s a thumbs up. In my view this is exactly what the new Defender should have looked like. |
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1st Jul 2020 9:17am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1028 
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Value from webuyanycar for my 2015 Defender is £31k. Almost a straight swap for the Grenadier? I'd be very tempted.
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1st Jul 2020 9:23am |
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