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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637   
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Sure, but all things being equal, even a crash at a mild 60kmh can kill you in a Defender. In most other modern cars, you will likely walk away with no/few injuries. A few years ago in Natal, an Audi doing >200kmh smashed almost head-on into a D3 doing +-120kmh. Take a guess as to who survived this crash...  Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Jun 2020 12:31pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3388 
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What a waste of a G4 Disco.
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11th Jun 2020 12:32pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637
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sure, the car is wasted. But a family of 4 survived.
What is more important to you: your life and the lives of your loved ones? or a pile of metal & plastics?  --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Jun 2020 12:37pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3388
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That’s not what I was getting at. G4 Disco is a rare thing, that’s another gone due to some  . |
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11th Jun 2020 1:03pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637
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Doesn't matter how defensively & safely you drive, you cannot mitigate against the other vehicles on the road. In your nanny state, maybe. However, in my part of the world, you'd have very little chance to safely avoid a kudu jumping out of nowhere into the road. Not to mention the cows, goats, rock-throwing, and drunk pedestrians wandering across the highways. 
@J77 my misunderstanding, sorry  --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Jun 2020 1:10pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3388
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Not necessary
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11th Jun 2020 1:13pm |
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| Ecco Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 279  
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..there is a psychological aspect embedded with new vehicle designs, and that is, level of comfort and whole noise isolation from outside, doesn't really give any feeling how fast vehicle goes, hence driver may have false feeling of, 'all is just normal', until physics takes its own course..so, driving safe is utmost imperative, everything else is a bonus..
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11th Jun 2020 1:18pm |
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| diduan Member Since: 13 Oct 2016 Location: Central Balkan Posts: 260 
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I have my own opinion regarding safety of new vehicles. They are designed to withstand EuroNcap testing procedures, meaning i.e. frontal crash with 50kmh. The front of the car is nothing but a spring having appropriate stiffness to deliver best deceleration values when the car crashes with 50kmh. If you crash with let's say 100kmh the front of the car will be too soft to absorb the impact. Does anybody care about this? I don't think so because car has scored 5 stars and this is important for their marketing.
I feel safe in my defender because even its structure may be too stiff for 50kmh crash, it may have the needed stiffness for 100kmh. If we add in the equation the lower speed of the defender, the more attention I pay when overtaking because it lacks power, the mass of the car, I think it is fine. A roll cage is on the list though. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt |
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11th Jun 2020 1:57pm |
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| PaulMark Member Since: 29 May 2020 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 33 
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Let me start by saying I am not looking to start a fight but... I am amazed by the numbers of negative posts in this section of the forum from people that:
- profess to have no interest in the new Defender yet are browsing this section and reading and watching every review - make claims with no evidence to back it up e.g. rubber dash will degrade, underbody wont survive corrugations etc - seem to indicate that safety features are irrelevant because something big can take you out anyway - state that buyers of the new Defender are yuppies and wannabees who will never properly use their vehicles off-road I know that people get emotional about their Defenders but, other than trolling, I can't see these people are trying to achieve with the posts? Everyone's entitled to an opinion but there's a lot of opinion being passed off as fact. |
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11th Jun 2020 2:13pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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I like this gents review. Gentle criticism where needed, praise otherwise. Fits very much with my own impression of when I drove it last week. My takeaway of the test also was much better than I had feared after all the blasting here, similar to this gent.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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11th Jun 2020 2:51pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2637
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Ynet review (Israel)
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Jun 2020 3:19pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149  
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As that could be taken as a swipe at an earlier comment by me, I DID NOT SAY THAT, my comment was that all driving involves some element of risk. Nor have I ever criticised the safety equipment in the new Defender or any other car. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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11th Jun 2020 4:50pm |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 928  
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Whilst nobody likes to think about it but when your time is up, it's up, end of, no matter how we try to isolate ourselves from danger in whatever we do these days....
 
Either way, I certainly do not feel unsafe in my Defender, regular old design cars, possibly yes, I once had a classic Mini and I felt very vulnerable in that and sold it in the end, not just because of that though, too impractical. It was only really from the early/mid 90s that safety in cars became a real priority, airbags, impact beams etc... |
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11th Jun 2020 5:05pm |
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| PaulMark Member Since: 29 May 2020 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 33
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Apologies if I misinterpreted. I guess my point is that if someone is choosing a new Defender over an old one for safety reasons - that is a perfectly rational thing to do. |
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11th Jun 2020 5:09pm |
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