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Yannis



Member Since: 02 Feb 2015
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Corris Grey
Problem is, no one has it....

DPF’s are not a regulation in Africa, so there is no DPF compatible oil.

Will 4000 miles using “non compatible” oil really clog the DPF?
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Gonarezhou



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South Africa 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Alaska White
Yannis they are widely available in Southern and East Africa. Here is a link for you:

https://products.sasol.com/pic/products/ho...index.html
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Yannis



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Corris Grey
Just had a check of the data sheet of that oil, it shows; ACEA A3/B4 which isn't a acceptable spec for the Puma 2.2 fitted with DPF.
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Gonarezhou



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Hi Younis - purchased these this morning. If they are not what you are looking for then I am at a loss .....



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Yannis



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The european spec Defender requires WSS-M2C-934-B which is a C1.

The oil in your picture is A5 which will quickly clog the DPF.

We have managed to work something out with the last of the spare oil we had with us that will see us through the lockdown before we can return to Europe and source the correct spec.
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Gonarezhou



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You are right but I did find it. See link -

https://www.shell.co.za/motorists/oils-lub...5w-30.html
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itsdashy



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 PU Orkney Grey
Just replaced my oil pump and used this as it seemed the best bang for my buck at £37 for 10L. That'll make 6k/12month changes cheap.

10LT 7723 Mannol Fully Synthetic Engine Oil 5W30 C1/C2 LAND ROVER/JAGUAR JLR035005

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165034202100

https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/smycarworldltd
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big110



Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Well here we are halfway our journey and are in desperate need of an oil change on the 2.2. But we are now in the middle of United States and even the biggest auto parts supplier cannot have any of the oils listed. Any advice for us?
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Iktank



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Wales 2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Corris Grey
I see C1 is now becoming obsolete, C1 Oils are still widely available but will be be recommended to use C2?
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
What do you people think of C3 5W40 in a stock 2.2 in high ambient temperatures?
Specifically Millers: https://www.millersoils-shop.co.uk/trident...engine-oil 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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Ianh



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Reading the specification it’s a mid SAPS oil and the 2.2 with a DPF specifies a low SAPS oil. This is to prevent ash buildup in the DPF that can’t be burnt off.

Hence I would not recommend its use.
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Dinnu



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That was kind of my same thinking, although they also state:
Quote:
Utilising mid SAPS technology protecting particulate filters and controlling soot build up


Given that it is slightly higher viscosity, I was wondering if there could be a little less oil consumption, which would balance the sulphur/phosphorus loading of a mid vs a low saps.

Edit, just checked on Opie website https://www.opieoils.co.uk/t-acea-car-engi...ained.aspx and states:
Quote:
Same as C1 but with somewhat higher SAPS content permissible (as with C3).


Would have been nice if there was a 'value' to what low, somewhat higher, or mid actually is. Guess using C3 (5W40) vs C1 (5W30) could be a trade off between engine and DPF/Cat longevity?? 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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custom90



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This is what I have in my 2.4, it’s suitable for 2.2 with DPF as well.
It runs nicely, I can tell that.
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-162109-castro...tid=263887 $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Post #1032520 23rd Apr 2024 9:59am
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Ianh



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The Penrite oil site provides a good insight into the ACEA standards. Including C1 is Sulphated Ash <0.5% , and C3 is Sulphated Ash < 0.8%.

These percentages are small, however in comparison C3 would potentially have 60% more sulphared ash than a C1, which would not be good for a DPF.

https://penriteoil.com.au/knowledge-centre...ations/364
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custom90



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Yes, and DPF issues cost a lot to have sorted out as well. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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