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blackwolf



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Yes, you can't blame the spacer for the user being a moron!
Post #824257 9th Apr 2020 11:33am
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Post #824258 9th Apr 2020 11:35am
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Oldowner



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Aintree Green
I have seen a wheel space fail first hand, on a diahatsu fourtrak. Wing totally destroyed and large divot in the road, luckily it was only doing 15mph. It had just done a 90 degree turn out of a side road and failed when straightening up. Studs pulled out of the spacer from memory.

On a related note, my brother has my old 300tdi 90 county with factory fit freestyle alloys. I put some BF Goodrich MUd terrains on for him, never adjusted the lockstops, but they used to rub slightly on full lock. Come MOT time they failed it for rubbing tyres and instead of adjusting the stops, sold him a set of wheel spacers to get it thought the mot Mad (he is not mechanically minded, first I knew of it was when I saw it a few weeks after the mot with spacers on)
Post #824262 9th Apr 2020 12:25pm
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JOW240725



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Highly recommend the Toyo Open Country MT (I have in 255x85R16) despite being a mud terrain they are surprisingly quiet and well behaved on the road, I've been very impressed with them. Cheap too, I paid £105 each delivered. James
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Post #824265 9th Apr 2020 12:34pm
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blackwolf



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Oldowner wrote:
I have seen a wheel space fail first hand, on a diahatsu fourtrak. ... Studs pulled out of the spacer from memory. ...


Interesting, but this suggests to me that (a) it was not a good quality spacer and (b) it was probably a pretty thick spacer.

Good quality spacers will use headed fasteners screwed into the spacer from the back, which cannot pull out (for this reason avoid anything thinner than about 30mm since it won't be thick enough to accommodate the fastener head). If the studs pulled out, it suggests that they were threaded into the spacer, which would not be good practice.
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JOW240725 wrote:
Highly recommend the Toyo Open Country MT (I have in 255x85R16) despite being a mud terrain they are surprisingly quiet and well behaved on the road, I've been very impressed with them. Cheap too, I paid £105 each delivered.


And another +1, they are a lot quieter than the Cooper STT’ that were on before - I had a bargain £80 each delivered on eBay with a payday voucher last year from Demon Tweeks 2017 Range Rover L405 Vogue SE V8 Diesel #16
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Post #824324 9th Apr 2020 5:26pm
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Mossberg



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BogMonster wrote:
If you're only doing 2000 miles a year why wouldn't you just leave them?

I used to change wheels around two or three times a year but eventually it just becomes a faff and you give up!


Hi BM,

I would prefer tyres that a better mannered on the road, that way I am more likely to use the truck more. So, the reasons to consider changing are,

A better stopping distance on the road – this is emergency stops as I don't drive the truck like a car. Lets face it, you are not in control of anyone that decides to step/pull out in front of you. I have not had to do an emergency stop yet and may never have to, but I would like the confidence the tyre will stop in a reasonable range. It would be nice to see a test comparison with other tyres, but I don't think that exists.

These are re-moulds so will wear far quicker than new tyres. Whilst they have a reasonable tread at the moment, I don't want to take them past a useable green lane depth. When these wear down, if I only have one set of tyres, I wont replace them with the same style. So having a “daily” set of tyres and having these for occasional use on lanes may be an option.

These are noisy and drift a bit. They are not the best balanced (which I think they are known for), but I don't do too much long distance or fast driving anyway so I can probably live with that. However, with these tyres I would not want to go too far due to noise and their behaviour on the road, so with better (road use) tyres I may well use the truck more.

The Insa Turbo web site shows these as 95% off road and 5% on road, which I think says a lot!

I fully understand and agree with what you are saying BM and at this point I am exploring the options. I will fit the wheels with the road tyres on when I get them and see what I think – but to do that I have to be able to drive the vehicle, and with this virus lock-down I don't know when I will get the chance!!!

ATB

Mick
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JOW240725



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LRO Magazine did a tyre review a month or two go, might be worth a look. James
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MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641
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Post #824515 11th Apr 2020 6:29am
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Mossberg



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I did think of that James. I saw one on the shelf and almost got it but now due to lockdown (and not wanting to catch anything) I have not been in the store since. My other thought was that the tyres were probably all nice and expensive where I am more likely to go for budget!

If I get a chance to pick that copy up I will.

Regards

Mick
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JOW240725



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Not sure if you'll be able to see this.... In these exceptional circumstances I hope it is ok posting.



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 James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html
MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641
MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557
Instagram @suffolk_rovers
Post #824549 11th Apr 2020 9:08am
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blackwolf



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I'm amazed to see Avon TM tyres included in that review!
Post #824554 11th Apr 2020 9:24am
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BogMonster



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Mossberg wrote:

These are noisy and drift a bit. They are not the best balanced (which I think they are known for), but I don't do too much long distance or fast driving anyway so I can probably live with that. However, with these tyres I would not want to go too far due to noise and their behaviour on the road, so with better (road use) tyres I may well use the truck more.

The Insa Turbo web site shows these as 95% off road and 5% on road, which I think says a lot!

I fully understand and agree with what you are saying BM and at this point I am exploring the options. I will fit the wheels with the road tyres on when I get them and see what I think – but to do that I have to be able to drive the vehicle, and with this virus lock-down I don't know when I will get the chance!!!


They certainly do that. I had a set that I bought and ran for a while on my Tdi 110 when it was new, but I really couldn't live with the road manners so I changed them for BFGoodrich MTs.

Going back to the original question, 235/85R16, 265/75R16 are both factory sizes on standard suspension. I've had 265s on alloys off and on with several of my vehicles over the years, and it's a good fit. The 255/85R16 size is also popular although I have never had any personally as they don't suit the soft conditions here so much - if you go bigger it tends to be for width here, so 33x12.50R15 is the upgrade size.

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I'm amazed to see Avon TM tyres included in that review!


Likewise - and that they are £240 each! Shocked

An old 90 we used to have had a set of these on in 6.00x16. Honestly some of the most useless tyres ever made in almost every situation. They belong on a trailer! ---
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blackwolf



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They are only relevant to restorations where authenticity is considered important.
Post #824567 11th Apr 2020 10:35am
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BogMonster



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Here's my old 90 on 265s/Freestyle alloys. I always liked the combination on a 90.



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