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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753  
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Naks, I posted a comment about that last video you linked to over on RRSport , I think that that is possibly the best video yet of the trips to Namibia and it’s because there is nobody spouting LR PR Dept approved crap over the top of it, it just lets you enjoy watching the cars perform and form your own opinion.
Tim / Morepower - I’m sure the bean counters had that bright idea not the engineers! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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7th Apr 2020 9:38pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Which video was that?
The best I've seen to date was actually a non~review:
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8th Apr 2020 5:12am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Anyone else notice that @13:10 there appears to be something hanging down from the bottom of the vehicle? |
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8th Apr 2020 6:16am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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This one - the last video on YouTube posted by Naks and it is also a non-review
I noticed that too and it appears one of the cars entering the drop down into the flooded river has a big chip in the windscreen ( but it coukd be something reflecting on the screen) at about 14:12/14:15 Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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8th Apr 2020 7:16am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Right - I noticed the chip too - at first I thought it could be an exotic squashed bug - but it seemed to appear on each days filming.
Quite liked this review: He has a strange explanation early on about why the chequerplate panels on the bonnet needed to be plastic; and I winced at 14:10 when i saw how much the ladder deflected with the bloke coming down it. Question is will it get used enough in the first 3 years to fail under warranty, or will it be 2nd, or 3rd owners that have the fun of fixing it. |
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8th Apr 2020 7:51am |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592
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The ladder is one of my concerns I saw it flex on one of the early release videos and asked one of the guys who worked on the defender (not the ladder) at an event. He said it was designed to flex somewhat which will seem counter intuitive to some owner and had been tested with "big blokes" thousands of times". took it with a pinch of salt, its expensive and im sure here will be simpler options available after market. A fixed one down to the wheel will be an option i guess but that has safety implications.
Nice video above, they clearly had a better test than portrayed in the rest of the videos. I noticed the windscreen, guess when your in convoys on that terrain its gonna happen. I don't off road, most i have to do is drag things across muddy paddocks and navigate lanes in winter to get home looks perfectly capable for my use cases a bit OTT if anything  110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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8th Apr 2020 8:09am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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Observations from these recent videos:
It’s a Discovery that looks like a very plastic Mini Countryman on steroids with a very odd box glued to a window.....  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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8th Apr 2020 8:23am |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592
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Personally (and I know people will disagree) I like plastic in the right areas for protection. From d3/4 experience being able to replace wheel arches when they are damaged by un clipping them is A real plus. Mrs RDR caught the back quarter on a fence post the arch took it and ripped off saving the metal work.
I like the look of the black bits. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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8th Apr 2020 9:51am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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Please don’t insult my Mini Countryman with a comparison to the New Defender................... I chopped in a perfectly good totally reliable 2015.5MY RRS SDv6 HSE Dynamic for my 2019MY Countryman PHEV. The Mini has been a delight, way way better assembled (in The Netherlands not the UK!) than even the FFRR’s I have owned and up to the last tank full at the end of Feb it had a lifetime MPG in excess of 360mpg as even with it’s small electric range (20 miles in summer 14 in winter) I can do near all my local trips in pure electric mode. It has had a single visit to the dealership since delivery - for a “safety” recall on the HV Battery system that BMW couldn’t do over the air. It’s first service is in May 2020 or 19000 miles whichever comes first. The satnav has had 3 full upgrades over the air since delivery in June 2018. Cheap it was not at list price with options of £42000 when I took delivery, but as I had ordered it in November 2017 BMW covered a 4% price hike and a change in their option packs that delayed built as they also managed to wipe out their order database updating the option packs (see it’s not just JLR who have idiots in the iT dept) and refunded me 5 years of luxury car tax for cars costing over £40000 as it was their fault the price went up after I signed on the dotted line.If the New Defender can match the build quality and lack of maintenance of my Countryman then I’ll be very happy to change both my TDI300 and the Mini for a new Defender PHEV when one comes. Two reasons why I didn’t buy another RRS or hold onto mine - simples a) JLR jacked the price for a like for like spec RRS by £11000 in 3 years (my pay went DOWN in that time and also several items that were standard on my car were extra cost options on 2019MY) and I didn’t keep it because while I have no doubt mine wouldn’t have suffered a spun bearing/ crank snap I wanted to extend the warranty but design faults (ie not the owner’s fault but the makers fault) were a specific exclusion in the extra warranty on offer from JLR! That ended a period of 30 years and 11 new cars from LR, it will take a lot to get me back into a factory order car from them, I have only bought one used car in my life - my Defender, if I can hit lucky again then I would be happy to buy a New Defender that somebody else has had the teething problems to sort out! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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8th Apr 2020 10:09am |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3404 
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Yup, easy to replace and no paint required and no damage to the bodywork. The D3 was the best of the bunch, wasn’t a fan of the colour coding on the last of the 3s which carried over to the 4, I did think about replacing the colour coding on my 4. |
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8th Apr 2020 1:16pm |
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| mikelike Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: new zealand Posts: 108 |
I have watched most of the Namibia videos and can not see any off road challenge that a Discovery 4 or 5 could not achieve .
Hardly ground breaking stuff really , sad fact is the company is in a serious cost cutting initiative to survive . How can they possibly improve quality and reliability when they are trying too save cash ? . |
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8th Apr 2020 8:13pm |
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| Ecco Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 280  
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They cant, and they will not be making any money on this weird vehicle. Its poor attempt to sell disco stock left, under defender name tag. This is not way to make money and make brand profitable, and as i said from day one i saw this ugly car, its not going to make money, LR need, which is sad. |
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9th Apr 2020 1:44am |
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| RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 592
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From experience of my current d5 and the 5x d3/4s I have bought from new since their launch (3 for me and 2 for mrs RDR) something has clicked into place with the current ones. It could be the new Slovakia plant I don’t know but the build quality and fit and finish has definitely got better. My last D4 was terrible with over a dozen snags found on delivery it felt really poor quality and definitely not worthy of the £65k price tag.
I hope the defender is quality (we’ll engineered) and they transferred all the lessons learnt from its sisters platforms. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for them. I was thinking about the off-road tracks in Namibia I’m no expert but it seems they were just planned to prove it can do what the defender could do and comparative models on the market today nothing more which is a shame. I think they were pandering to all the trolling around the pre launch mule teasers from people saying they want to see it on certain passes and trails. Like the d5, to be able to do those trails in stock form and then be a very comfortable daily drive on the motorway plus have all the crash test and safety features is great and there isn’t much competition that matches. The D5 is dead with defender here now it will be interesting what the d6 will turn out like. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten Last edited by RDR on 9th Apr 2020 8:00am. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th Apr 2020 6:17am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2645  
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9th Apr 2020 7:00am |
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