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with the same fault when you go to start it it turns over for a split second and then throws the starter in and out sounds terrible somtimes grindes on the flywheel it will do this maybe for 2 mins or sometimes 15 mins then all the lights on the dash will flash and wont urn over at all and all the rellays are clicking , once you do get it going it will dive down the road and cut out then might be fine for 3 days 
| Grockle Member Since: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Peak District National Park Posts: 2266   
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immobilizer fault 2.4 90 XS 1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up. |
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2nd Dec 2009 10:47pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708 
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If they have changed the starter try the Earth or Negative cable from the battery to the chassis. Or it could be a damaged starter ring gear on the fly wheel. If the dealer ain't fixed it give it back to them. Get a replacement like for like vehicle until its fixed
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3rd Dec 2009 4:59am |
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| simonpuma90 Member Since: 16 Nov 2008 Location: south wales Posts: 472 
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I was thinking ring gear myself
well it back there now and im in a 59 3.0l v6 rr sport so all is good |
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3rd Dec 2009 9:16am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17417 
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Did you get to the bottom of this in the end?
Mine '07 Puma has what sounds like a similar problem, which started as a very infrequent intermittent fault but is getting more frequent (now happens about 3 times a week). When cranking the engine to start it sounds as if the starter is jumping in an out of mesh - horrible destructive noise. Sometimes turning the key back to the fully off position and then retrying is OK, sometimes it will do it two or three times in quick succession. I haven't noticed any indication from the dash lights, they seem normal. I am thinking perhaps ignition switch, battery, starter motor, starter solenoid or possibly immobiliser? Are there any other relays involved in the circuit? Any suggestions, or suggestions for troubleshooting? It is out of warranty hence I really need to sort this myself. Thanks! |
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26th Jul 2011 7:25am |
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| nickhodgson Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Zambia Posts: 174 
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Hi
There was a fault with some of the early ignition switches that lead to multiple starter motor failure. I wonder if your problem is a version of this fault. The revised ignition switches have a key with a much bigger black plastic bit where your fingers grip. Your problem does sound like a loose positive to the starter or a loose earth to the battery/gearbox. I have had my negative battery terminal work loose and fall off leading to a non start. Cheers Nick |
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26th Jul 2011 8:45am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2419  
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Mine had it. Fixed witha good earth point and F tight baterry terminal 8you can put a bit if copper wire between the battery terminal and the Negative bracket
Puma 110" SW
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26th Jul 2011 9:55am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17417
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Thanks Nick,
I did wonder about the switch, and it should be one of the cheaper things to swap out (apart from the hassle of getting the old one off). It is unlikely to be a loose earth connection, since I ran an extra (rather massive) earth cable from the battery to the winch mount. Positive is a possibility, or the energising feed to the solenoid. The fact that the 'ignition' switch is a Lucas item desighned in the early 1970's makes it a prime suspect! |
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26th Jul 2011 9:55am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20413
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As MK said above. I had alot of starting and imobiliser trouble and found out that with was due to one of the battery terminals being loose. Slight tightening and light tap of a hammer on the battery post / termainl and all was well
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26th Jul 2011 3:19pm |
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| karlkarl Member Since: 22 Mar 2013 Location: Sverige Posts: 2 
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Hi all,
Mine has this exact problem, although it seems to get worse when its cold and it starts absolutely fine after 2-3 cycles of turning key and trying to crank, getting awful noise and turning key back to pos 1. Can this indicate that new glowplugs needs fitting? 130k -07 110SW |
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22nd Mar 2013 2:16pm |
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| karlkarl Member Since: 22 Mar 2013 Location: Sverige Posts: 2
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130k kilometer that is. About 8000miles.
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22nd Mar 2013 2:19pm |
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| dilukabey Member Since: 17 May 2011 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 173 
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Mine recenty had a no power situation from the battery at all. Initially thought it was from the battery terminals but apperently it was from one of the loosen wires to the relay box under the driver's seat! Then tightned with a srew driver and job done!
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22nd Mar 2013 3:18pm |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110 
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Battery terminal loose appear to be a common problem
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Mine had the same problem sometimes, in special after a rough road driving. Im willing to change the terminal for a better one or use the MK alternative. Cheers Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge |
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22nd Mar 2013 3:52pm |
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