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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17610   
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I don't quite understand what you're describing, but whatever it is it shouldn't be doing it. There should be no play in any direction in correctly set-up swivels.
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29th Feb 2020 6:11pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668 
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Hands at 6 and 12 o’ clock on wheel hub, slight movement in the set up, not sure what is incorrect, maybe take a whim out? 1990 200tdi conversion 90
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29th Feb 2020 6:35pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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Sorry need to clarify swivel the swivel housing 1990 200tdi conversion 90
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29th Feb 2020 6:47pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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Sorry need to clarify swivel the swivel housing, if I grab at 6 o’clock and pull the housing (as if checking for play) there is a slight movement but only when pulling the bottom and pushing the top, very slight.
I wonder if I need to change the bottom swivel bearing pin 🤨🤨 1990 200tdi conversion 90 |
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29th Feb 2020 6:53pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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I had to use lots of shims to get the preload correct (4.5 kg). Lots 1990 200tdi conversion 90
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29th Feb 2020 8:01pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17610
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There should be no play. If the hub is on, make sure you're not feeling movement in the wheel bearings rather than the swivel.
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29th Feb 2020 8:03pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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Hub is on, not bearings, all new parts as well 1990 200tdi conversion 90
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29th Feb 2020 8:07pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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 Click image to enlarge 1990 200tdi conversion 90 |
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29th Feb 2020 8:11pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8172  
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Swivel play 12 and 6 is king pin bearings or shims incorrect. Cheers
James 110 2010 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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29th Feb 2020 10:37pm |
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| donmacn Member Since: 06 Nov 2017 Location: Nth Scotland Posts: 1853
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Apologies if I'm talking pants here....
If I'm seeing it right, your picture seems to show that the swivel seal, and its retainer is in place. In this case, when you're measuring preload, you are having to overcome the resistance of both the pin bearing and the seal. My Workshop manual isn't to hand, but I thought it said preload should be measured for just the bearing - with no seal in place? My logic then tells me that you could be shimming the pin to get the right preload, but the seal tension is putting your readings out.. So, the preload would read OK, but the pin would be too loose and giving you the movement you're describing. As I say, could be complete pants... It's just something I dimly remember from when I last did this job. If I've got it wrong I'll hang my head in shame for 5 minutes... Donald 1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong (The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html ) 2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8 in the past.. RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi 1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box 1993 Discovery 300Tdi not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper... |
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1st Mar 2020 8:43am |
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| Mash Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Guernsey Posts: 1674  
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Donmacn you are correct in thinking the rear swivel seal should not be fitted at the time of testing.
Have the bearing seats and bearings fitted correctly? I have seen people reuse the races due to being awkward to remove and fit, with new bearings and this has resulted in problems. 90 wolf - Jasmin http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic39408.html 90 V8 - Maggie http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic42564.html 110 TD5 - Buggsy http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic59029.html 52HG25 lightweight https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic72342.html D3 Hse - Fiona Capri 2l S - Anna Think I might have a problem............ |
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1st Mar 2020 9:17am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Click image to enlarge setup with swivel housing seal not in place 
(I had to use lots of shims to get the preload correct (4.5 kg). Lots )  are you checking preload with seal in place if so you are not checking reload on top and bottom bearing but amount force to move seal over swivel ball |
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1st Mar 2020 10:26am |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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Makes sense thanks, guess will have to preload using ‘feel’ now? Dont want to lose all my one shot 😂 1990 200tdi conversion 90
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1st Mar 2020 12:05pm |
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| dioliahary Member Since: 18 Jan 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 668
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Thanks all (new races as well as bearings fitted).
The problem was too many shims. Removed till play went then built shims up so I got the correct preload. The seal was giving me a false preload. Brilliant thanks for your kind words of wisdom 👍 1990 200tdi conversion 90 |
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1st Mar 2020 5:21pm |
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