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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3497   
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I believe new diesels have to conform to Euro 6, whoever makes them.
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28th Aug 2019 6:27pm |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526 
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All cars and light commercials will have to be RDE1 (Real Driving Emissions) compliant from 1st September this year. RDE1 vehicles will be compliant with Euro6d-Temp which limits NOx emissions. RDE2 which further limits NOx emissions will be introduced in 2021. Cars failing to meet RDE standards will be rated one VED band higher. Defender 90XS SW
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29th Aug 2019 8:00am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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"Our latest EU6 Ingenium diesel and petrol engines are among the cleanest in the world. Jaguar Land Rover was one of the few car manufacturers to meet the WLTP deadline for type approval of its vehicles, reducing the operational impact of the emissions test changes.
A range of our vehicles, including the new Range Rover Evoque, the Land Rover Discovery Sport and the refreshed Jaguar XE, have all achieved compliance with stringent Real Driving Emissions Step 2 (RDE2) standards NOx emissions tests well in advance of the 2020 introduction of RDE2 for all new models. Investing in continued refinements and improvements to our internal combustion engines remains key to our forward-looking strategy, particularly for future plug-in hybrid vehicles." From JLR 2018/19 Report & Accounts. |
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4th Sep 2019 9:10am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526
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It's good to know that JLR are well ahead of the game. I've been running a 2 litre Ingenium D180 in my DS for three years with no problems. PITA having to top up AdBlue every few thousand miles but otherwise
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4th Sep 2019 10:31am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Interesting article on the issues, suggesting there's a long way to go, if it's even possible, before any diesel can really be called clean:
"The most recent diesel vehicles (Euro 6d-temp) produce ultra-fine particles for which there are no regulations yet, but also emit up to a thousand times more particles than normal during certain emission peaks, according to the independent study of the European NGO Transport & Environment. The study, “New diesels, new problems” was published on Monday 13 January. If the results are confirmed, it would be a major blow to manufacturers, who are saying that diesels have never been as “clean” as they are now. The particle filtration system, which is used to retain carcinogenic fine dust, has been installed in diesel vehicles for the past ten years. The system needs to regenerate about every 480 kilometres to remain effective. However, when it regenerates, the level of particles released can reach up to 1000 times the normal emission rate, resulting in the limits being exceeded. This problem affects 45 million cars in Europe, with a total of 1.3 billion regenerations every year, according to Transport & Environment. In Belgium, almost 2 million vehicles are affected. A regeneration usually happens when driving at a high speed, but can take place at any time, including when driving in a city. The process lasts about 15 minutes, but the polluting effects can last for about half an hour. Laboratory tests of the two most popular diesel cars in Europe (Nissan Qashqai and Opel Astra) showed that both models met the legal limits for gaseous pollutants as well as the mass of particle matter. However, during the regeneration phases, emissions exploded and exceeded the legal limits for particulate emissions by 32%, sometimes even up to 115%. “Regulated particles are only part of the story. Smaller ultrafine particles are considered a greater threat. And yet they are ignored by official approval tests,” said Anna Krajinska, an expert engineer at Transport & Environment, reports RTBF. “The next Euro standard for pollutant emissions must close these loopholes and impose limits for all pollutants. The absolute goal is a standard that requires zero emissions for all vehicles on our roads,” she added. A large proportion of particulate matter is still not measured today as only solid particles with a diameter greater than 23 nm are regulated. During the test, all solid particles with a diameter greater than 10 nm were measured, resulting in the total number of particles emitted increasing from 11 to 184%. Maïthé Chini The Brussels Times" https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/bel...n-quasqai/ |
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14th Jan 2020 6:32am |
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| Tommo Member Since: 19 Dec 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 830 
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Wouldn't it be great if other issues had the same level of scrutiny, in particular the use of plastics to wrap our food up in, the almost obsessive need to eat lots of meat, the need to plant millions of trees, the need to reduce the air travel by buying locally produced food??
Instead combustion vehicles are sent by the devil and no one seems to link battery manufacturing for cars as a nasty but equally problematic impact on air quality ,removal of lithium ion from the earth and transporting it to all parts of the world, the manufacture of lots of new cars and the financial incentive to change your car every 3 years!!! Also, the likely hood of the battery needing to be replaced every 8 years. So, the old polluting combustion engine seems destined to be scrapped to be replaced by a new form of power which simply hands profit to another energy supplier-electricity. |
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14th Jan 2020 7:35pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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If you did that then I would be out if a job driving your imports and exports around the world in my ship that daily produces more unfiltered particulate that any car will produce in a year......... 1 great huge lump that puts out 53,000bhp at 96rpm (yes you read that right,96 rpm) and at full chat produces .62250bhp at 104 rpm but burns about 300 tonnes of very low sulphur heavy fuel oil a day with emissions to match. We tend to sail around at 12 knots these days not the 26knots that full power gives and at 49rpm we “only” consume 36 tonnes of fuel a day......... but your widgets and Land Rover wiper blades made in Mexico will take a lot longer to deliver at 12 knots and everyone wants there spare bit yesterday not next week! Be careful what you wish for, globalisation is here to stay! And remember that due to the economy of scale due to huge ships your parts made in China/Japan or wherever cost less to get to Southampton from the other side of the world than it costs to get them from Southampton to anywhere in the UK when you carry 24,000 x 20ft containers at one go in a ship that has only 16 crew instead of 6 ships all carrying 4000 x 20ft containers did 20 years ago! ‘ Sailing on what in 1996 was one of the biggest and most powerful containerships in the world then - carrying 4800 x 20ft units - we are now considered to be a coastal feeder ship............ Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 14th Jan 2020 7:54pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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14th Jan 2020 7:46pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2630  
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Tim
I feel a forum members day out is required... |
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14th Jan 2020 7:54pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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I’m alongside in Felixstowe until 7am!
This at 292m long and 32m wide is my present ship, https://www.flickr.com/photos/11606523@N06/6600649223 - built 2006 and 4800 x 20ft containers capacity And here in the Panama Canal https://www.vesselfinder.com/ship-photos/324533 This is today’s 24000 x 20ft containers ships - 400m long and 60m wide with a 120,000bhp dual engine twin screw power plant, with even more emissions daily! https://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Ships/Munich-Maersk-9778806.html Too big to fit in the Panama Canal I’m the captain BTW Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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14th Jan 2020 7:55pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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forgive me for pointing out the obvious but they look a little top heavy ?
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15th Jan 2020 12:44pm |
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| htb2 Member Since: 02 Nov 2018 Location: Carmarthenshire Posts: 529 
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As a rule loaded airy stuff at top, heavy at bottom. But as you say they look top heavy.
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15th Jan 2020 12:54pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I think things have moved on from this, batteries are not just lasting longer but a number of manufacturers have programmes in place to give them 2nd lives in static storage solutions. I can't wait until this trickle though reaches the domestic market and people like me with excess solar can store and use it myself and become less reliant on the grid. "In 2019, Elon Musk announced that Tesla had a “1 million-mile battery pack” in the making. He said that it was going into production “next year,” which is now here. Tesla, while in a partnership with physicists from Canada’s Dalhousie University, filed a patent in December for new lithium-ion battery tech. The patent is for advanced battery chemistry. Titled “Dioxazolones and nitrile sulfites as electrolyte additives for lithium-ion batteries,” it refers to adjustments to the battery cell chemistry for Tesla products. This chemistry will increase the battery’s performance and longevity while also cutting back the costs." https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/17/is-te...e-battery/ Last edited by Supacat on 18th Jan 2020 7:28am. Edited 1 time in total |
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15th Jan 2020 12:55pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 865  
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“It's good to know that JLR are well ahead of the game”
If they were that ahead of the game, why introduce the new Defender with soon-to-be-outdated RDE1 engines? Those with one on order must be well chuffed. Peter |
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15th Jan 2020 4:05pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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What I didn’t mention was the amount of ship you cannot see - the oldie I’m on has 12m draft below the water line, the big new ones up to 15m so they look top heavy but there’s a lot that is invisible underwater. Also we have a lot of water ballast capacity inthe tanks built between the inner and outer hulls of most containerships we can only carry. High containers above the hatches/on deck, but they are 13 high under deck! The big new ones can carry 10 high on deck and 13 high in the holds. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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15th Jan 2020 10:59pm |
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