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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
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They're two different but related things. Crystal headlights are indeed a straight swap improvement for the existing ones.

The uprated loom is designed to engineer out the poor design of the existing wiring that sees all of the power for the lights being drawn through the switch by introducing relays into the circuit. This not only prevents the switch burning out but can also deliver a higher voltage (the full, correct voltage) to the lights that can make them brighter.

You can do one modification or the other without any issue. For best possible results though, do both together.

I hope that helps. Darren

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10th Jan 2020 8:13pm

lonewolf

Member Since: 23 Oct 2013
Location: North East England
Posts: 210

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Zambezi Silver

Thank you for your reply LRA, yes it does help

Of course it leads to another question; would the new lighting loom be easy to fit if purchased ie would it come with instructions etc as electrickery isn't one of my fortes?
I have noticed that people have mentioned that a new loom may be alternator biased so if you took your live feed from the battery I guess it would have to be extended with the correct rated cabling?
Thanks again for your reply, much appreciated.

11th Jan 2020 10:24am

donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1845

I can agree wth all the replies which say that an upgraded loom, and direct wiring will make a big difference to light output.

Lonewolf - on your question about ease of installation, I'm not an electrical whizz, but it is pretty straightforward. I wouldn't take issue with the point about wiring back to the battery, but I didn't myself. I just took it from the back of the alternator and there have been no problems.

Others are available, but I got mine from Landreiziger in Dordrecht/Netherlands and the quality was good, along with reasonable instructions. They have an option with ceramic H4 connectors for the headlamps, and it's just 'plug and play' - you connect it all up; plug in one of the existing/original headlight plugs into the new loom, and off you go.

In a combination of that and the crystals I'd very subjectively say the light output was about 20% brighter than my original lights and wiring. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

11th Jan 2020 10:43am

lonewolf

Member Since: 23 Oct 2013
Location: North East England
Posts: 210

Cheers Donald thank you for the information, very helpful.......

NB I bet it’s a bit windy where you are today, take care.

11th Jan 2020 11:42am

lonewolf

Member Since: 23 Oct 2013
Location: North East England
Posts: 210

I’ve now been looking at the landreiziger loom which I like, €56.50, unfortunately I don’t have multilingual skills and therefore can only look at the photos and not read the Dutch blurb.
What I did notice was that there was also a picture of a switch, is that part of the loom kit?
I also checked out the 90 second video which although brief was informative, but didn’t mention a new switch, perhaps it’s an extra?
Any help appreciated.

11th Jan 2020 12:16pm

donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1845

Ah. I think they must have changed their website a little, as I'm pretty sure there used to be a bit of English in there somewhere - or maybe a language tab top right. Doesn't seem to be there anymore, or perhaps it's because I'm looking at the site via an ipad which is bringing up a 'mobile device' version.

I would just cut and paste the text into 'google translate' - it'll give you the gist, or phone them during the week. Martin speaks pretty good English.

When I got my loom, there was no additional headlight switch incuded. It's probably there to illustrate the point that the loom mod takes the full headlight current away from that switch, which is a known weak point. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

11th Jan 2020 4:40pm

lonewolf

Member Since: 23 Oct 2013
Location: North East England
Posts: 210

Cheers Donald, I was using an ipad too so maybe better checking on my laptop.
Thank you again for the feedback

11th Jan 2020 5:31pm

lonewolf

Member Since: 23 Oct 2013
Location: North East England
Posts: 210

Update: I used my laptop and web translator and got the spiel in English: the loom is 40.5 euros or for 16 euros more you get a switch which is to replace a burnt out one if that was the case.
I also discovered what a winkelwagen is too...….its a shopping trolley.....you learn something everyday

11th Jan 2020 5:52pm

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2166

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

Sure someone mentioned on here that the extra loom isn't required on the later Puma's due to how they have been re-wired??

Sure Martin or A.N Other could confirm??

11th Jan 2020 6:28pm

donmacn

Member Since: 06 Nov 2017
Location: Nth Scotland
Posts: 1845

lonewolf wrote:
Update: I used my laptop and web translator and got the spiel in English: the loom is 40.5 euros or for 16 euros more you get a switch which is to replace a burnt out one if that was the case.
I also discovered what a winkelwagen is too...….its a shopping trolley.....you learn something everyday

Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...

11th Jan 2020 8:29pm

oneten110

Member Since: 02 Jul 2011
Location: Wish I was still in France
Posts: 741

error It is not a Defender, it is a One_Ten

12th Jan 2020 2:22pm

oneten110

Member Since: 02 Jul 2011
Location: Wish I was still in France
Posts: 741

lonewolf wrote:
I’ve now been looking at the landreiziger loom which I like, €56.50, unfortunately I don’t have multilingual skills and therefore can only look at the photos and not read the Dutch blurb.
What I did notice was that there was also a picture of a switch, is that part of the loom kit?
I also checked out the 90 second video which although brief was informative, but didn’t mention a new switch, perhaps it’s an extra?
Any help appreciated.

You could make up exactly the same thing yourself for a fraction of that price. A few lengths of cable at 1.37 a metre and a couple of relays at about 2.50 each, relay bases at 1.62 each and connectors at 1.20 for a pack of 10
Total cost about 15 quid It is not a Defender, it is a One_Ten

12th Jan 2020 2:29pm

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