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| Edfors Member Since: 27 Jun 2013 Location: Uppland Posts: 21  
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Land Rover have a tradition to name vehicles after the wheel base, 80, 86, 107, 88 etc.
But with the ninety was introduced in early 1980's they didn't follow the pattern and named it '90' even if the length was 92.9" (2,360 mm). 110" was true to its name but the '127' was called 130. Now we see a significant inflation in the names where the 2020 Defender 90 really is 101.9" (2,587 mm) and the 2020 Defender 110 is in reality 119". Conclusion, 90 should be better of as Defender 100 and the 110 as Defender 120! Just as for other makes where numbers had a meaning earlier I see that the number is moving to just another meaningless model name. The new Defender 110 is then the longest 'standard' Land Rover, beating both D5 and L405 with approx 4 inches! Getting close to L405 LWB territory with its 122". I just came thinking about this and for me it's not a negative thing, for me the larger the better since I haul around a lot of junk stuff both inside and behind the vehicle. Wonder if this actually gives room for a '130' that would have to be more true 130" or it would be a real giant! Read about my veryDisco life at http://www.thed2boysclub.co.uk/ |
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20th Nov 2019 8:08pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149  
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This is not actually correct, Landrovers were never normally named after the wheelbase until the coiler era. Series vehicles were "regular" or "long" if you look in the brochures, manuals etc.
There wasnt much consistency in naming throughout the coiler years, 90 and ninety both used, likewise 110 and one ten. 127 initially as it did have a 127" wheelbase. Marketing rounded it up to 130 I think at the same time as they were named Defender. Some 127s were actually 129" (I think for Holland). New ones probably should have model names reflecting their actual wheelbase, rather than trying to create a connection to the previous models which blatantly doesn't exist. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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20th Nov 2019 8:49pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2141 
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Probably makes more sense than the new Audi numbering system.........
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20th Nov 2019 9:16pm |
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| King Luis Member Since: 23 Oct 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 42 
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or the bmw number. 340 isn't a 4.0l like the older 325 was a 2.5l.
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21st Nov 2019 1:02pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I remember them as being either short wheelbase ~ swb or long wheelbase ~ lwb. |
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21st Nov 2019 5:50pm |
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| Edfors Member Since: 27 Jun 2013 Location: Uppland Posts: 21
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You're all right about the numbers, it came later. When the Ninety and Oneten was introduced.
Still, it devalue the meaning of model numbers when the meaning gets distant from the facts. Read about my veryDisco life at http://www.thed2boysclub.co.uk/ |
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21st Nov 2019 6:11pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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My Owner's Manual refers to the wheelbase
 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge |
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21st Nov 2019 6:48pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2623  
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Heaven help potential customers if they are dyslexic
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21st Nov 2019 7:03pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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Landrover were anything but consistent...
 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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21st Nov 2019 7:28pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1315 
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Well I never realised they only came with one wing mirror and wiper as standard. Or did the artist lose interest?!
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21st Nov 2019 7:43pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283
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Standard spec was one wiper and one wing mirror, right back to SI.
These days, sales ads have the top spec vehicle in the pic, with the appropriate asterisk to say so. Rover were more honest. Marketing tried to introduce the cool new labels of Regular and Long with the SII, everyone else seems to have stuck with wheelbase. |
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22nd Nov 2019 5:36pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353 
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And no indicators, of course. |
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22nd Nov 2019 5:56pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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The image also shows one piece doors on the long wheelbase. A rare feature that never became a standard fit. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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22nd Nov 2019 6:16pm |
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| SN Member Since: 29 Jun 2007 Location: SK6 Posts: 729 |
This is correct - it came from a leaked internal presentation in July Click image to enlarge Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history) |
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25th Nov 2019 10:41pm |
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