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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150   
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The divisiveness on the net about this vehicle is becoming unpleasant. People are entitled to like or dislike a product as they see fit and in accordance with their wants and needs. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean they are wrong. This applies to both sides of the argument. Let's try and stop the sniping, eh guys? Talk about the car, not the people. 2011 110 USW
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14th Nov 2019 6:48am |
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| Edfors Member Since: 27 Jun 2013 Location: Uppland Posts: 21 
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Let's look at the facts. Of course these vehicles are for the film set and therefore with roll cage etc. I would also want a cage before taking it beyond its limits. Looking at the fact sheet below, the 29 kNm/degree is an impressive number, three times more rigid than the average passenger car. So are the extreme loads the suspension is designed for.
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14th Nov 2019 7:38am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17450 
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I wonder if the full internal roll cages that (at least some of) the movie vehicles appear have will be listed in the options catalogue.
I also wonder what it would cost to repair the rolled one to showroom condition, no doubt a write off in normalk insurance terms. Ironically as an ex-Bond film vehicle rolling it has probably increased its value. |
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14th Nov 2019 8:36am |
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| Edfors Member Since: 27 Jun 2013 Location: Uppland Posts: 21
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I was thinking the same, is the monocoque body still structural intact, so you can replace roof, door panel and front wing? Roof panel is glued in for sure and in real world scenario it would be a write off.
Having had a good look in person a couple of weeks ago, I must admit the new Range Rover Defender is a impressive vehicle and I want one. Perfect addition to our family fleet of JLR products. 
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14th Nov 2019 8:57am |
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| King Luis Member Since: 23 Oct 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 42 
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i guess i'll try to ignore others. just tiring seeing people jump in every post and hating on it with the same crap instead of actually talking about the topic. |
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14th Nov 2019 1:11pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6098 
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Amazing how the woman in the video states that these cars "are more or less as you'd get from the showroom", only seconds after the clip shows (as does a picture on page1) her changing gear on a nice long sequential shifter!
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14th Nov 2019 6:05pm |
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| King Luis Member Since: 23 Oct 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 42
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looks like she pulls it for another gear but it could also be a hydro hand brake.
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14th Nov 2019 7:35pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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Is it though? It may be the stiffest aluminium Land Rover body, but have a look at this site; http://youwheel.com/home/2016/06/20/car-bo...sive-list/ The L322 Range Rover was 32kNm/degree and even the Freelander 2 was 28kNm/degree. For it to be three time more rigid than the average passenger car, the average passenger car would need to be less than 10kNm/degree. You have to look long and hard to find something this bad; Dodge Neon, mkIII Fiesta from 1989, Vauxhall Corsa C from 2000. My Mercedes has an aluminium monocoque and has 40.5kNm/degree stiffness. The new Jaguar I-Pace is 36kNm/degree. I think this says more about the (lack of) stiffness of other Land Rover aluminium bodies than the exceptional stiffness of the new Defender. |
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14th Nov 2019 7:51pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2644  
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So in laymen's terms the Classic Defender has the rigidity of a French Brie and the New Defender is more like an aged Cheddar.
I like cheese  |
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14th Nov 2019 8:18pm |
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| Edfors Member Since: 27 Jun 2013 Location: Uppland Posts: 21
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The number for Discovery 3 is 20 kNm/degree. What cheese would that be?
There is a difference of a fast car as your Merc, built for 250+ km/h on Autobahn and a Defender. Still looks tough enough to me. Read about my veryDisco life at http://www.thed2boysclub.co.uk/ |
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14th Nov 2019 8:38pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873
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It might be a fantastic figure for a large aluminium body. Who knows. It's better than a Volvo XC90, which is made of high strength steel and does not have a reputation for folding in half.
It does look tough enough. I'm sure that the roll cages are required to ensure the safety of the (stunt) drivers but it would all be more credible without the references to twenty year old econoboxes and being driven like a Bowler straight out of the showroom. |
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14th Nov 2019 9:47pm |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3683 
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15th Nov 2019 5:47am |
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| Ecco Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 280  
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..good progress..its in a ballpark of VW Beetle, but by LR standards thats 'toughest one'..
VW Beetle (2012 – ) 26,000 ..while stuff considered 4x4, back then were.. VW Touareg (2008 – 2010) 36,900 ... lol.. |
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16th Nov 2019 1:01am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4217 
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Maybe the marketing department got the wrong end of the stick and it’s actually meant to be really bendy, Unimog style
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16th Nov 2019 10:42am |
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