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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110   
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https://knowyourfuel.campaign.gov.uk/
If you’ve filled up your car since the start of this month, you might have spotted that there have been some changes to the way petrol and diesel are labelled. The fuel itself hasn’t changed, but the way it’s described has. While you’ll probably still see the terms “petrol” and “diesel” in use on the pumps and nozzles you use to refuel, you might have noticed a couple of differences since 1 September. You’ll now see petrol referred to as ‘E5’ in a circle, while diesel is now being referred to as ‘B7’ in a square. This new terminology will now also be present on the filler caps on brand new cars, and you’ll see it across Europe, not just in the UK. Why the change? The thinking behind the change of labels is to do with increasing the accuracy of petrol and diesel labelling, as the new labels depict the percentage of renewable fuel blended into these fossil fuels to help bring down CO2 emissions. With strict targets to adhere to in the fight against climate change, petrol and diesel have, for over a decade, been mixed with a small quantity of fuel from renewable sources. Petrol is mixed with up to 5% ethanol, while diesel contains up to 7% biodiesel, without impacting the quality of the fuel. So, you guessed it: E stands for ethanol, 5 for 5%; B stands for biodiesel, 7 for 7%. A circle is the symbol for petrol and a square for diesel. At the moment, those percentages are capped because higher percentages won’t work with all vehicles, but as renewable fuel content increases in the future we’ll likely start to see other percentages available, and the new labelling will reveal exactly what you’re buying (E10, for example). It’s worth noting that if the filler cap in your new car says ‘E10’, you’ll still be able to use ‘E5’ petrol. What’s more, if you drive a diesel car and you’ve noticed that your filler cap says ‘no biodiesel’, don’t worry: all diesel cars will take B7. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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6th Nov 2019 12:25pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298  
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I believe Morrisons were selling B30 a few years back. my understanding is they stopped due to change in tax incentives but suspect it may actually be a result of mechanical issues.
furthermore I understand all PSA engines were suitable for B30 but don't think this was widely advertised. ie the freelander 2.2 and 2.7 / 3.0 Disco 3/4. my experience suggests most diesels will operate on B30 and beyond. the wifes golf says no bio but has run B100 for many miles. |
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6th Nov 2019 1:27pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5167 
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Thanks for that
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Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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6th Nov 2019 8:05pm |
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| Sulisuli Member Since: 30 Oct 2016 Location: South west Posts: 4795 
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Does that now mean by filling with this my Defender is environmentally friendly
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2008 SVX 90 2000 XS TD5 90 |
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6th Nov 2019 8:12pm |
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| Nizza Member Since: 30 Sep 2019 Location: Oxon Posts: 5 
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Just revisiting this topic - what is everyone’s thoughts on the fact that from Sept, normal petrol pumps will now all be E10.
Anyone worried about their older engines? Planning on using an additive permanently or paying for ‘premium’ E95’ (or E98 if they’re still doing it)….? Cheers
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5th Aug 2021 6:02pm |
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| Nizza Member Since: 30 Sep 2019 Location: Oxon Posts: 5
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5th Aug 2021 6:03pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3499 
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Yes Caterham, you are correct, Morrisons were selling diesel fuel, I believe made out of rape seed, if I recall?
The Ford Focus I had at the time (as has been said by Tim in Scotland about his past vehicles) definitely said NO bio diesel. I believe that this at present is just a change in petrol. My old Ford Focus 1.8 Petrol (2002) should run on it. I checked the government website. That's not to say it will The breakdown people will either be run off their feet or raking it in.
My mate repairs horticultural equipment. Something not thought about, but a lot of old grass cutters are not going to like E10. In cars, we are told to use super unleaded, but apparently older lawn mower / chain saw engines don't like running on that either. Getting back to Caterhams comments, if I recall, the issue with Morrison's fuel was it came out at the same time as common rail diesels. I seem to remember that it was these modern diesels that disliked the bio-diesel rather than the older ones. So they advertise, McDonalds run their lorries on oil from their fryers. I guess they have found a way of filtering it and making it useable as all their lorries are modern and if the above was true, they would have all hit the hard shoulder by now? |
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5th Aug 2021 6:19pm |
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| seriesonenut Member Since: 19 Nov 2014 Location: Essex Posts: 1211
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Filled up with my first tank full of E10 yesterday. What surprised me was the price difference, £1.30 for E10 and £1.41 for the super. Cant help thinking we are being mugged again
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1957 Series One 88 diesel 1958 Series One 88 4x2 |
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5th Aug 2021 6:33pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2154
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There has always been roughly that difference between 'regular' and 'super' petrol........
Its yet another nonsense...... |
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5th Aug 2021 7:01pm |
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| Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Bramhall Posts: 1102
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I’ll be using normal unleaded in my Series 2a 2.25 petrol. If it’s E10, it might corrode things a bit quicker, but they will already have been degrading with the E5 we’ve been using for years.
The only fuel related issue my S2a has had in the past 3 years was a sunken plastic float in the carb! Probably was caused by ethanol in the petrol, but it was only £15 for a new plastic float! 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV 1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy 1968 S2a 88 aka Bob 2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged. |
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5th Aug 2021 9:32pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5167
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Yeah the super stuff is always 10p more, and you don't really gain anything at all, depending on the car. The Dturbo Diesel 306 i had which was a mechanical pump, that seemed to like running on it, less smokey, and it drank a little less. The HDi its not bother at all, if its got Super or the regular, but that could be down to common rail. The rover metro was the same, the carbed loved it, but the vvc powered one, didn't care at all. So i always put it down to the super stuff having some sort of cleaner in it, that's about it. Supermarket fuel Asdas crap, now that stuff is poor. That put one of the lasses cars in the garage that, She happened to see me, working on mine, and told me what the story was. It was the same trouble i had with the Dturbo and Carb metro, I said where are you filling it up from? she said here, I said try filling it up at the BP or shell. She did and the car ran spot on after that, she said i should bill this place! Cost her 500 quid in garage labour to be told nothing mechanically wrong with the car. Turns out asda poor quality of fuel, Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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5th Aug 2021 11:06pm |
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