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Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
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New Defender’s Missing Important Tech for the 2020s

The New Defender showcases several new tech items for JLR but surely they missed on one extra that many many people look to fit these days - front and rear dash cams. Surely with all the cameras fitted as standard and all the computing ability it wouldn’t have been too hard to add a recording function and memory to the surround cam system - a sort of venture cam for the 2020’s instead of the 1980’s. Just imagine the mark up they could have for electronically inserting a digital Land Rover signature to the video as well! When your New Defender has been stolen a ‘see through’ bonnet or clearview rear view mirror isn’t much use but cams that communicates with your Land Rover app could well be. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

4th Oct 2019 6:42pm

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2636

Second battery and solar for me.

I agree with you regarding the cameras though I am not into social media but it would make sense in the new customer world JLR are living in.

4th Oct 2019 7:31pm

NMBRPL8

Member Since: 07 Jul 2015
Location: Australia
Posts: 146

i agree about the dash cams, but they are not alone. is there a reason why this is still left to the aftermarket in this era when car manufacturers seem hell bent on putting all sorts of electronics in their product?

5th Oct 2019 12:50pm

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3287

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

EV or at least PHEV option at time of launch is the most glaring error.

5th Oct 2019 1:08pm

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

Zed I completely agree, huge opportunity missed especially when there are already 2 PHEVs in the Range Rover family that are proven (and it seems popular) and that there is a hugely successful BEV in the Jaguar family Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

5th Oct 2019 1:24pm

oneten110

Member Since: 02 Jul 2011
Location: Wish I was still in France
Posts: 741

Zed wrote:
EV or at least PHEV option at time of launch is the most glaring error.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jaguar-land-rove...oc5SVaP2v3 It is not a Defender, it is a One_Ten

6th Oct 2019 7:56am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Saw that article, or at least a similar one, a few days ago and it made me think that there's obviously some big internal fights going on in JLR at the moment.

Someone else referenced one regarding the new Defender, and now this. JLR have already announced to investors that all models are to migrate to the BEV ready platform by 2026 but this appears to muddy the waters?

Sign of some creative tensions or just more trouble ahead?

6th Oct 2019 1:22pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Interesting to see this company has a working electric G Wagon:

https://www.kreiselelectric.com/projekte/electric-g-klasse/

"The all-wheel electric drive in the Electric G-Class offers full off-road capability with maximum driving pleasure. Two electric motors generate a max. Power of 360kW and provide for an acceleration otherwise known only from sports cars - despite 2.6t curb weight. All this with particularly compact dimensions and without restrictions in the loading and interior space."

as well as a few other interesting vehicles.

25th Oct 2019 10:20am

King Luis

Member Since: 23 Oct 2019
Location: Toronto
Posts: 42

Re: New Defender’s Missing Important Tech for the 2020s

There are cameras, and I'm sure an update can add the feature in the future. The question is will they? Once the car is stolen, I'd say a GPS tracking of the vehicle is much more important than recording of the camera. And they probably have that feature. Could be wrong.

Second battery and solar panels is something I'd leave for the aftermarket. You are looking at a very small number (less than 1%) that would want a second battery and solar panels.

@Supacat. You think it's JLR vs BMW? I know BMW has been in the hydrogen game for a good decade now.

25th Oct 2019 12:47pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

I'm just

at JLR saying there will be a BEV Defender & doing a 180 with a reasoning that it doesn't make sense on such a large vehicle.

Nothing to do with the fact they have run out of cash for the development programme, and their new partner BMW have a hydrogen programme.

Spinning the facts rather than being honest?

26th Oct 2019 6:01am

Lodelaner

Member Since: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Lambourn
Posts: 632

1988 Defender 90 V8 Petrol ST Shire Blue

Re: New Defender’s Missing Important Tech for the 2020s

Tim in Scotland wrote:
The New Defender showcases several new tech items for JLR but surely they missed on one extra that many many people look to fit these days - front and rear dash cams. Surely with all the cameras fitted as standard and all the computing ability it wouldn’t have been too hard to add a recording function and memory to the surround cam system - a sort of venture cam for the 2020’s instead of the 1980’s. Just imagine the mark up they could have for electronically inserting a digital Land Rover signature to the video as well! When your New Defender has been stolen a ‘see through’ bonnet or clearview rear view mirror isn’t much use but cams that communicates with your Land Rover app could well be.

It can be done, but when customer resistance prevented introduction. If the car can do it as stock, then insurance companies can reasonably expect a recording as evidence, rather than a customer electively providing it. Fair enough you might think, but then customer concern is that creep will happen: the 10 minutes before the crash will be accessed. Then the telemetry, then a driving history, then a driving rating, which could be used to reduce the insurance pay out etc etc.

Its big brother, independence issue. Its not one I share, but many do. JB

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26th Oct 2019 6:49am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

I don’t have dash cams on either of my cars for that reason and I often wonder when there has been an RTA how many people answer the request from investigating officers to forward dash cam footage - very few I suspect. There is no reason why it couldn’t be an option for those that want integrated systems rather than having to hack the interior of their new car to bit to fit an aftermarket system. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

26th Oct 2019 7:28am

adolfy

Member Since: 01 Dec 2016
Location: Mid Wales
Posts: 58

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Bronze Green

What world are you people living in? Land Rover 1950 series 1
Land Rover LWB 1967 series 2A
Land Rover SWB 1980 series 3
Land Rover 110 Defender 2013

28th Oct 2019 8:55am

NoDo$h

Member Since: 18 Aug 2007
Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset
Posts: 972

One that will be at the final next weekend?

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits

28th Oct 2019 11:01am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

adolfy wrote:
What world are you people living in?

One where telepathic skills are not the norm...

29th Oct 2019 1:02pm

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