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foggydave



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Bonatti Grey
Engine management light not coming on
Hi
My lad has a 2008 2.4 When he turns the ignition on the engine management light does not come on. He took the binnacle/cluster out but can find no accesss to any bulb.
Is there a fuse or other problem that would cause this?
Post #795224 26th Sep 2019 3:49pm
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diesel_jim



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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 110 Td5 SW Epsom Green
Maybe there is another (Expensive) fault on the vehicle, and someone "disconnected" it so as not to raise the suspicion of the MoT inspector?
Post #795275 26th Sep 2019 7:50pm
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foggydave



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Bonatti Grey
He bought the motor a few months ago and knew from experience that the EGR valve was playing up which he replaced. He ran a diagnostic and only found a MAF fault which was corrected and cleared. He had not noticed the light was off until it was pointed it out to him during the check. It may have been turned off because of the EGR valve. So! the question remains what should he be looking for to turn it back on? Is there a fuse in the circuit somewhere?
Post #795277 26th Sep 2019 8:07pm
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MadTom



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Czech Republic 1999 Defender 130 Td5 HCPU Baltic Blue
Look for a piece of black tape inside the instrument cluster covering the light. These lights are LED based, so no simple way to remove the "bulb". Covering or de-soldering are two simplest ways for this type of "repair". "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "BlufĂ­nek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo Smile
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foggydave



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Bonatti Grey
Hi
He has taken the binnacle out but was nervous about dismantling the unit. Having trawled Utube it does look as though with a little care the binnacle can be taken apart.
It seems to be the case that a motor will fail an MOT if the engine management light is on and I would think as the EGR was faulty it would have activated the light and so would have been tampered with.
Post #795314 27th Sep 2019 5:35am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
I believe it should also fail the MOT if the MIL doesn't illuminate during the lights-on test phase of the ignition-on start-up cycle, since this indicates the MIL is defective or disabled.
Post #795318 27th Sep 2019 5:59am
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hank



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Wales 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Check all wiring to the instrument panel/connector is in tact.

Check voltage to EML pin

https://www.lrworkshop.com/connectors/defender-2007/C1040R > 110 XS Double Cab


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Post #795414 27th Sep 2019 2:01pm
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dorsetsmith



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MIL Amber lamp bulb check yes *

* bulb check performed by sub system i.e. ECM not instrument cluster
Post #795422 27th Sep 2019 2:32pm
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Martin
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red
No hardwired pin for the EML, it's sent over CAN. Suggests the ECU isn't sending it for some reason Confused  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW
Post #795424 27th Sep 2019 2:40pm
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Martin
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red
Scrap the above if you believe it's been tampered with. Presumably the LED has been removed from the board or a trace on the PCB to it has been cut Shocked

If you want it inspecting/repairing I'm happy to quote to do so Thumbs Up  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW
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