Fellrunner wrote:

Of course difficult to gauge in photographs, but the quality of some of the materials appears shocking.

nidge n wrote:

Thank you for posting the photographs, they have provided a real insight into what we can expect. Sorry, £45 to £70K for all that plastic checker plate? It just looks nasty and cheap. Gosh, there is plastic everywhere, the whole front and rear is plastic. And even the plastic trim around the rear wheal arch has come adrift.

The Defender name has added a premium to the price but it looks as though the accountants have maximised the value of low cost material, distracted by covering visible parts in leather. If you really wanted to spend £70K on a LR product, would you not be better to get a second hand Range Rover. But oh my god, all that plastic Checker plate

LandRoverAnorak wrote:

The rear of the 90 with the seats up:


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I seriously think my wife's Smart has more room in the back than that

Just a comment on the failing trim ~ nearly every photo shows someone touching the car, and from experience at car shows I know people like to prod, tug, and tap various bits. Some of them have a harder week at a car show than 2 weeks on a Camel Trophy.

GREENI wrote:

Well The likes of Kahn and Twisted have proven there’s a market for terrible tasteless tat, at an outrageous price.


Did anybody see Twisted’s Charles Fawcetts quote, that claimed the old Defender’s value has just gone up 20%

I guess he would say that, with a warehouse full of them

I think people will be selling them, to buy the 2020... flooding the market and killing the value.

I don't agree Geerni. I think 95% of the Discfender’s buyers will have never considered, let alone owned, a previous gen Def/LR/Series. They might have dipped into the brand with a Disco, but that’ll be about it. They will be fashion victims, pure and simple. There’ll be the odd D4 convert who hates the D5 and needs to upgrade, but I think mainly fashion victims brought across from Audi and Merc. I don’t see any traditional RRS/RR buyers downgrading to a heavy, non-sporty hunk of plastic. I don’t see Disco Sport or Velar owners thinking its worth the upgrade. I can’t see many women, either, saying I’ll swap the old 90 for the new 90, or a Q5 or X5 for that matter. This will be a very niche car in my opinion. Possibly as niche as the current Def. It’ll fly off shelves initially as fashion victims will be falling over themselves to be the first to be seen in one in Hoxton or with a surfboard on top going down the A303. Then sales will dry up as people come to realise it is an ugly lump of (albeit off-road capable) plastic, that has no character or soul, is effing expensive and (more likely than not) mechanically - or at least electrically - fragile. Sales will stop. Prices will drop. This is not a car that will be holding its price after 18mths. Gerry McGovern and LR have this car up royally.

The one exception (that may save them) will be the American market where they’re used to plasticky behemoths. The problems however, is that those behemoths are normally a third of the price of this, have ‘American Heritage’ which an American will always prefer, and will have a monstrous 500bhp lump in the front and be devoid of electronic gizmos. So an American that does buy this will, in my opinion, be a rare American and they’ll probably live in San Fran, Portland, Austin etc, the hip cousin of Hoxton-man....  Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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discomog wrote:

At least with plastic chequer plate you'll not get any galvanic corrosion going on between the ally plate and the steel rivets

True ~ but think of all the water that's getting trapped behind that panel and slowly eating through any surface imperfections silently and unseen.