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Pilgrimmick

Member Since: 16 Nov 2015
Location: Highlands
Posts: 582

Stolen from Facebook.

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Can’t see this anytime soon! 80" 1948
Lightweight V8
Bowler Tomcat
130 Station wagon
90 300tdi
(Santana PS10 pick up)
Range Rover L322 (Ful fat)

11th Sep 2019 7:36am

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2297

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

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11th Sep 2019 7:55am

sausage16

Member Since: 07 Sep 2019
Location: somewhere
Posts: 7

Some pics taken yesterday if you haven't sen them:

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11th Sep 2019 8:00am

Huttopia

Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 1978

Here’s one from the brochure:

11th Sep 2019 8:01am

NoDo$h

Member Since: 18 Aug 2007
Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset
Posts: 972

Also stolen from Facebook. Welcome to the new Freelander 4!

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54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits

11th Sep 2019 8:04am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17598

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Supacat wrote:
blackwolf wrote:
It would be interesting to run some penetration tests on the new one. With 85 ECUs, live software updates, WiFi, and presumably all CANbus comms, I really hope they've addressed cyber security adequately. I can foresee ransomware attacks galore if the electronic security is up to the usual JLR sta cards.

In asking that question, I'm guessing you already have a good idea what the answer is. Have JLR addressed the keyless entry issues fully yet?

The SOTA worries me. I can forsee an owner returning to a vehicle after having parked it up, and it not starting due to a failed "update", or even worse having changed some driving characteristic to something unfamiliar or even subjectively worse.

It's bad enough if another driver changes the seat and mirror positions, imagine jumping in the car with different throttle, gear change or suspension settings?

And then there's the issue of me having to buy my car a SIM with a data package just so JLR can interrogate it to gleam information to improve their revenue stream. Parasitic software.

I am also generally uneasy about the way in which the new Defender, along with all other similar new vehicles, is fully capable of sending comprehensive telemetry data to just about anyone all the time. Although I have nothing to hide, I really don't want every detail of every journey logged. I distrust the way that manufacturers are so reluctant to let customers know the extent of the data harvesting they they can, and possibly do, do, but it certainly goes (or can go) down to things like the number (and mass) of people in the vehicle, and whether they're wearing seat belts, as well as the more expected speeds etc.

In the fullness of time it will inevitably lead to road pricing and so on, but a little more transparency would be welcome.

11th Sep 2019 8:07am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17598

Supacat wrote:
Co1 wrote:
very helpful extras like a shower in the boot for cleaning the dogs

Thinking that through ~ wash dog, put dog in boot, dog shakes himself vigorously; resulting in headlining, interior of windows and every other surface now being splattered with muddy water.

I'm sure Honda did this with the CRV a few years back?

You could always get a very small dog, one that fits in the external "lunchbox".

11th Sep 2019 8:08am

Huttopia

Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 1978

Re the software updates over the air, if you park it up for a couple of weeks whilst on holiday and then return to it, do you need to wait 20 minutes whilst it shuts down, pulls down the updates and reboots 😂

11th Sep 2019 8:10am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 23 May 2007
Location: The Land that time forgot
Posts: 3753

Last evening I went back through my collection of motoring magazines to the 2011 issues and am surprised nobody here has commented on the similarities to much derided DC100. From the bonnet leading edge back hardly anything is changed, forward of it the angle of the grille has been made more vertical and the headlight shape is slightly changed............
I am happy with the new car in most respects except that it is no longer a work-a-day utility vehicle which was part of the appeal of Defender Classic, you didn’t mind throwing the garden rubbish into the rear or putting a muddy mountain bike inside instead of on the roof - won’t happen with the new one. Two criticisms from me - I HATE wing top checker plate, on corners along sills no issue but it looks like I have to have something even worse on DC100 v2 - totally useless stick on plastic “checkerplate-a-like” that you cannot even stand on! With no option to not have it.) in these days of car theft who on this earth thought it was a great idea to have a fabric sunroof? It will interesting to see how insurance companies treat that weakness. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!

11th Sep 2019 8:24am

AMBxx

Member Since: 24 Jul 2016
Location: York
Posts: 1042

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

The imitation checker plated on the wing mirrors made me smile.

11th Sep 2019 8:26am

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

Tim, there is a certain longtime contributor on here whom I had a 'discussion' with (friendly) about three years ago. I tried pointing out to him that the new Defender was simply not going to be a million miles away from the DC100 (Land Rover say it is nothing to do with the DC100). He was quite adamant that it wouldn't be. He's still here, but I didn't want to re-hash our discussion, pointing out to him the similarities in design. I liked the DC100, and I think LR really missed the boat. Now left.

11th Sep 2019 8:33am

Albion

Member Since: 08 Dec 2014
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 141

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

bear100 wrote:
I kind of like it in a way, it’s going to be like the discovery for me I think, hated it when it first came out but soon grew to like it. It’s the first editions no doubt they will get better in a few models time

Agreed. I hate the look of the 90, but the 110 is growing on me. I can’t afford anymore to replace my 60 plate full-fat RR with a like for like, but the lower specced Defender may actually be a good compromise and it very much reminds me of the Disco 4 we used to have.

11th Sep 2019 8:35am

williamthedog

Member Since: 29 Dec 2012
Location: south wales
Posts: 3441

Checker plate??

perhaps they should have put some nail boards on there as well. So when the yummy mummies are waiting for offspring to put their school bags in the boot they can sand their nails down too.

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11th Sep 2019 8:35am

AMBxx

Member Since: 24 Jul 2016
Location: York
Posts: 1042

What puddle? wrote:
Tim, there is a certain longtime contributor on here whom I had a 'discussion' with (friendly) about three years ago. I tried pointing out to him that the new Defender was simply not going to be a million miles away from the DC100 (Land Rover say it is nothing to do with the DC100). He was quite adamant that it wouldn't be. He's still here, but I didn't want to re-hash our discussion, pointing out to him the similarities in design. I liked the DC100, and I think LR really missed the boat.

I bet you got the price wrong!

11th Sep 2019 8:36am

Zed

Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
Location: In the woods
Posts: 3348

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

NoDo$h wrote:
Also stolen from Facebook. Welcome to the new Freelander 4!

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The design of that Freelander front end actually looks cleaner to me.

Progress eh!

11th Sep 2019 8:46am

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