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Do you approve of the new Defender - everything (including price) considered?

Yes

30%

[58]

69%

[132]

Total Votes: 190

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LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3645

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

I was (lucky) to see them several months ago including a 130 at a customer focus group.

there is no denying they are great vehicles and I've no doubt they will be great off road, I also expect the sales will be good but they are not aimed at the same market as the old defender.

If I was in the market for a 45k + car and was well off I would consider one but only if I could keep my 2.4 2011 one as well, its not a traditional defender replacement its a completely new animal for a completely different market. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

11th Sep 2019 5:24am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5829

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

Should have been a third option: Yes, I like it, (including price), if it had been launched as a Discovery....

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

11th Sep 2019 5:38am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5829

gtmotorsport wrote:
My own personal view on the new Defender with the price tags of the 110, is good luck Landrover.
I honestly can't see how farmers, etc will spend that sort of money and that should have been the target markets. Landrover have forgotten the loyalty factor, which lets face it has kept customers returning for years despite poor quality issues and bad customer relations. Not for me and can't imagine seeing many around farms as well as mines and quarries.

That’s because, GT, farmers and miners are no longer the JLR target market. This is (and that’s the closest JLR will get to targeting a ‘bearded’ male):

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And this is where he lives:

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And this is as ‘adventurous’ as he will ever be, venturing as far as the South Downs

Click image to enlarge Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

11th Sep 2019 5:48am

Sulisuli

Member Since: 30 Oct 2016
Location: South west
Posts: 4795

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

Grenadier is that you doing selfies again........

2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90
2000 XS TD5 90

11th Sep 2019 6:28am

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

nidge n wrote:
I submitted no because the price simply cannot be ignored. The original defender was an honest no frills product where no one judge and you drove it not wanting to be judged. It’s as British as a red telephone box and a boarder collie. Non threatening and accepted. I don’t particularly like the new defender but I’m not a hater. It’s just not captured the spirit of the original. It’s existence is purely for profit by a company that appears to be profiteering on its past. If it had another name it wouldn’t be so divisive. If it had another name it would go unrecognised. But Land Rover called it defender and made it a 50k plus product. That is completely against the spirit of the last incarnation. For me, that’s whats wrong. I really wanted to add it to my 110 and heritage 90, but I feel that I’m having my tummy tickled. Be interesting to learn the price point of Radcliffe grenadier , but I’m actually shocked with myself that I’ve had such an adverse reaction. I think that has a great deal to do with the price.

I think this is spot on. as is the comment above by Grenadier. I REALLY hope Land Rover is reading this thread, and the others. Now left.

11th Sep 2019 6:40am

Buzzsaw

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Swindon
Posts: 61

Voted no purely due to the price.

11th Sep 2019 6:43am

gtmotorsport

Member Since: 29 Jun 2016
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 97

2006 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Zermatt Silver

Sulisuli wrote:
Can’t wait to see them on imerys fleet around the clay heaps Graham

I can't imagine one lasting more than a few days at most, but given the price tags what company would subject one to the sort of conditions in the mining industry.

11th Sep 2019 6:56am

Laurie

Member Since: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Sussex, England
Posts: 2897

2005 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

No chassis!!!
What's the use of that?

11th Sep 2019 7:06am

What puddle?

Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
Location: Reading
Posts: 952

No ladder frame, no. No word from Bowler yet on the news section of their website. I wonder what they make of it? Can the new Defender be beefed up to take what Bowler throw at it? I suspect not. The Ineos version is looking more and more interesting. I also wonder if the British army has seen the Ineos version. Now left.

11th Sep 2019 8:14am

foggydave

Member Since: 29 Nov 2012
Location: Midlands
Posts: 263

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Bonatti Grey

I read somewhere that there will be a utility version coming out. Is thistrue?

11th Sep 2019 5:45pm

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5829

Sulisuli wrote:
Grenadier is that you doing selfies again........

Nope. More like this

Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey

11th Sep 2019 7:09pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

As I heard several times in several forums.

Not mentioning the price that is a huge barrier
It's a nice SUV, probably with a quite good offroad capabilities, better than Defender in some sense but I'm not sure if can last 10+ years as a working horse (as mine).

But the target segment is not ours as Grenadier said.

Saying that, my vote is no. Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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11th Sep 2019 7:35pm

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2117

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

Taking the price out of the equation I have voted yes.

When looking at the Range Rover development from the basic vehicle in the 70’s to where the Range Rover is now is an interstellar jump in size, technology, safety and comfort. The same with the Discovery.
To my way of thinking the defender has missed many of the ‘upgrades’ that the Range Rover has had and time has caught up with it. So now it has gone from a basic vehicle to a modern technological marvel on one massive jump - and the price tag is monumental.

Its not the same defender that I have parked on the drive, as much as the classic Range Rover is not the same as the current full fat version, or my partners D5 is the same as her first D1... Development is a dynamic process that the defender has not had in such a large step, while the other vehicles have evolved in regular steps, the defender has reached the point of satiation so needed a new start.

So its not in my price range and I may never be able to afford one ... but the same goes for an Aston Martin Vanquish, (drool!)

The possible way to look at this is that the price of a new Defender could be used to totally rebuild a defender from the ground up, with all the nice things like a galvanised chassis, modern electrics, less tech engine, and improved suspension etc ... it would come in cheaper than the £45k basic price and still be a vehicle to cherish.

just my thoughts .. maybe in 5 yrs time I may get a ‘3rd' or ‘4th' hand one on a trade in for my retirement .. but unlikely a new new one! Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold
Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126

11th Sep 2019 8:10pm

Sulisuli

Member Since: 30 Oct 2016
Location: South west
Posts: 4795

Did you mention retirement

does Mary know

2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90
2000 XS TD5 90

11th Sep 2019 8:12pm

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2117

..... well .. stop working offshore full time ....

I have expensive assets that need funding ... (you met her at Roger Youngs Simon )

Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold
Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126

11th Sep 2019 8:14pm

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