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| Brucemknx Member Since: 17 Nov 2013 Location: Kununurra Posts: 44   
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More than $90,000 in Australia. Then add 33% ‘luxury car tax’ for every dollar over $67,525. And that’s the base model before options? Hope not.
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9th Sep 2019 4:46am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5811  
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The EU did bring in touch pedestrian laws. Certainly. But Merc managed to absolutely nail the DNA of the G Wagen. You can see the lineage clearly from old to new. And they even kept the round headlights FFS. JLR have entirely failed to do this bar a couple of really small nods. Flat bonnet wings, alpine windows, rear mounted wheel. The front looks like a Disco 3 and the rest, could be anything.  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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9th Sep 2019 6:20am |
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| NMBRPL8 Member Since: 07 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 146
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benz did a great job.
which one is the new model? |
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9th Sep 2019 6:31am |
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| pdv Member Since: 07 Feb 2014 Location: Asse Posts: 26  
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except the G-class is only for the rich people 100K for a base model here, and how long will it remain like that with the regulations about safety and economics becoming more strict ? it still has the aerodynamics of a brick.
i like the new "defender" apart from a few design flaws where i think they must be on drugs or something  . interior wise it looks very good with a practical dashboard. |
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9th Sep 2019 6:55am |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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another teaser video
-- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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9th Sep 2019 7:01am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5811
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It might be for rich people, but at a starting price of 50.000€ for the base model, the new Defender isn't exactly for poor people. Besides, that shouldn't effect styling cues from one version to the next.
The G Wagen kept a huge number of details. Round headlights Recessed headlights Bonnet angle Bonnet indicators Wheel arch shape front and rear Door shape, front and middle, including the hinges Windscreen rake Windscreen rubber trim detail Door/handle trim along the 'waist' Door moulding detailing on shoulder and at base Window shape front, middle and rear Roof profile including small wing/lift at the very rear Even the thin, pointless plastic trim on the C-Pillar has been kept. 30 years between the two g-wagons in the photos, yet it is clear they are the same car albeit father and son. Using a similar timeframe: What can we see in this: Click image to enlarge From either of these: Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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9th Sep 2019 7:09am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17380  
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Does anyone actually know what the strange lunchbox thing on the offside rear in the photo above actually is (apart from being weird)?
Emergency manicure box, perhaps? Sadly the photos reveal that the new vehicle is exactly what I expected, namely a decent replacement for the Disco 4 at at last. No-one should be surprised that we're being given a Disco with gimmicks, not a Defender, it was inevitable. |
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9th Sep 2019 7:17am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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From a business point of view I dont give a rats bottom what the new Defender looks like or that it may not resemble the previous vehicle. All I want is a tough 4x4 vehicle that will seat 4 blokes in comfort and be able to carry a decent bit of kit in the boot that is safe and secure. I have a feeling that they have dekcuf the boot space
The thing is there is nothing else on the market thats new that will do this. 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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9th Sep 2019 7:24am |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605 
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Looks like a Disco. Does the things a Disco does. Priced like a Disco.... but not a Disco.
 
Not having a pickup option is such a massive error. VW, Merc, Nissan, Toyota, Ford, Isuzu etc all breathing a collective sigh of relief. Really wanted to replace the farm D Max with one. Oh well. Could get two pickups for the price of a 110. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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9th Sep 2019 7:31am |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4209 
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There’s the Land Cruiser Utility, which I hope the base model new Defender might compete with. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS Last edited by Bluest on 9th Sep 2019 7:53am. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th Sep 2019 7:43am |
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| RRUK Site Supporter Member Since: 31 Mar 2010 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 2025
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They've already said there will be utility options and a pick up. Just not from day one. 2016 D4 HSE 1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF 1982 Series 3 SWB Petrol |
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9th Sep 2019 7:47am |
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| RRUK Site Supporter Member Since: 31 Mar 2010 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 2025
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What modern sane business wants to produce a low quality car aimed at poor people? Look at the Mahendra, the Dacia Duster etc, low quality vehicles that will not stand the test of time. I heard it direct from a Land Rover person that the new Defender is NOT aimed at the previous owners who are driving round in their old 90s and 110s lamenting the fact the new one might have a computer in it. It's such a tiny market space and proved to not be viable, hence we are where we are now. 2016 D4 HSE 1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF 1982 Series 3 SWB Petrol |
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9th Sep 2019 7:51am |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1316 
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I guess as it has been said before it will be a case of love it or hate it.
What I don't buy into though is the suggestion that legislation has forced a radical departure from the traditional shape. If Mercedes, Suzuki & Jeep have been able to carry through the bloodline, then I'm sure JLR could have done so if they had desired. My three biggest concerns are the price, the loadspace and the lack of modular design. I think I'm right in saying that the top spec 110 XS County was around £32k when last available. I'm guessing the equivalent replacement is going to be somewhere between £50k and £60k. And as mentioned earlier, those tapered sides must surely be robbing lots of storage space in the back. (which already looks limited). My third concern is not as great, but it was always good to know on the old Defender that I could convert it to a rag top if desired. In reality, I haven't switched between a hard top and soft top since owning a Series III back in the 80's so no big deal, but the meccano design really appealed to me. I'll wait before passing final judgement until I see a 110 in the flesh and can work out the pricing for something equivalent to my previous 110 or current Jeep. |
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9th Sep 2019 8:41am |
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| Farmerben Member Since: 16 Jan 2017 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 605
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I don't think he actually meant poor people but you can buy a top of the range Amarok or X Class for the same money as an entry level 110.
I'm sure they will bring out a pickup in the future but anyone with eyes can see the explosion of pickups over the last 10 years - its a market JLR have no stake in. They might not want to produce a "low quality car aimed at poor people" but to prioritise putting out another premium SUV with abilities far greater than anything the majority of buyers are going to use it for - a market they have totally covered that will only cannibalise from sales of their other vehicles - seems crazy. From the Autocar article:
Doesn't sound like they're remotely interested in making a work vehicle. And if this quote isn't the biggest bowl of marketing alphabet soup I don't know what is.
I mean they've essentially done just that: released another premium SUV that does exactly what all their other vehicles do. https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews |
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9th Sep 2019 8:44am |
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