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| nakatanenga Member Since: 12 Nov 2010 Location: Neumarkt Posts: 546  
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IAA Frankfurt is from 12th to 22nd, not on the 11th WANTED:
SII or SIII in max 1.5k |
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22nd Aug 2019 8:36am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707  
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Yep this is how I see it, I don't need a PTO lets face it who on here does! Im wondering have health and safety rules and regulations also impacted on the utility/working market. There are new inventions like a tow behind access platform and new vehicles like the Polaris Ranger. All these useful pieces of apparatus water down the requirement for the need of the old Defender. Back in the day it was common to see Series vehicles working in the fields. I don't think I have ever seen a modern Defender towing a chain harrow. Farms and small holdings have been sold off to adjoining farms making them bigger so bigger kit is required. Its a different world now. 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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22nd Aug 2019 10:13am |
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| Brucemknx Member Since: 17 Nov 2013 Location: Kununurra Posts: 44  
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So if the Defender spent its final year’s being marketed as a SUV, then the upcoming release may well be considered to be the logical successor to the old one. Fortunately for some, there’s a Toyota 70 series forum just waiting to hear from you😄👍 Last edited by Brucemknx on 23rd Aug 2019 1:07am. Edited 1 time in total |
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22nd Aug 2019 10:15am |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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I have two Puma Defenders. One 2008 and the other 2011. I find the Puma extremely comfortable and both have been reliable and any issues were easily fixed so I am happy. The 2011 needs some mudflap brackets changed owing to corrosion so that will be done this weekend, Most people would change the car when it reaches 8 years of age but I'm changing the mudflap brackets! Interestingly (is that a word?) the brackets on the 2008 Puma are perfect. I have a 1992 200 tdi which I have owned since 1996 and that is still going strong. It is a fine vehicle but the Puma has the edge for refinement and comfort on a long journey as well as oodles of power on tap. No need to wind up the turbo to over take. Then there is the 1982 series 111 diesel but that was rebuilt on a galvanised chassis some years ago (posts and pictures here). Still I thought it was worth the effort to give the old girl some new body bits but the engine/gearbox and most other things are original. You may guess the the New Defender will probably not appeal to me as I am happy with what I have,(wife included though there are many newer attractive upgrades out there) 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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22nd Aug 2019 10:24am |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Bruce, this is just gold
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22nd Aug 2019 11:39am |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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nakatanenga landrover press day at Frankfurt is on the 10th, all online to see, including the time.
Press days are 10,11 Show starts 12th as you say. |
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22nd Aug 2019 11:41am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17354 
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I agree. It is interesting however to note that I regularly see during the summer months a Dorset County Council TDCi 90 Hardtop towing a gang mower in the playing fields of the local schools, or road towing the gang mower from one school to the next. It does still happen, although this is the only example I know of. Most of DCC's mowing undertakings are carried out by fast road tractors now, I have no idea why the local schools get a Defender.
Undoubtedly true, it is the successor to what the Defender had become, as a result of the Defender morphing more and more into what the Discovery was created to be. Clever marketing, and good product evolution. It is inevitable, since the world no longer really has a place for the vehicle that was the rasin d'etre of the orginal Land-Rover. Now you either go down the more generic, SUV route, buy a pickup truck, or you go down the specialised niche vehicle route such as a Polaris, or more likely one of each according to your needs. It probably reflects that relative affluence of society and the fact that we can afford multiple, throw-away vehicles rather than a single multipurpose enduring one. It won't stop me from lamenting the real Defender, however, but I also lament the passing of many other old ways and artefacts, from good manners to steam locomotives. |
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22nd Aug 2019 12:05pm |
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| Yulong Member Since: 18 Nov 2017 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 110
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And here's me in the market for a pickup... fortunate timing, perchance?
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22nd Aug 2019 1:36pm |
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| defender9 Member Since: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 1629 
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I still hope there will be a non too complicated and blinged up utility version at a sensible price. I think back to my 2 door Range Rover which I owned many years ago and although quite sparse inside was very comfortable, would tow anything I needed was great off road and pleasant on road. My D3 was also a superb all rounder and if the new one is similar but more modular with excellent design and build quality I think I would be quite happy.
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22nd Aug 2019 2:04pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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I’m not worried about what it is called but in the price bracket it will have to be dam near perfect to compete against the other utility and commercial vehicles available. To me it seems the sales boys at JLR are aiming at the Chelsea Tractor brigade with too much money to spend rather than the bread and butter buyers who have bought Land Rover products steadfastly over the years. If you are paying the price of a dammed good car for a utility then you need to be getting something that is at least as well put together as a car, no rain water dripping into the footwells as you drive along, no gutters dripping on you if you open a door, no dust coming inside if you drive a dried up track or river bed, standard headlights that actually light up the road / trail and dials you can read in the dark.......... on the longevity front, with so many cars bought on PCPs and leased what incentive is there for a car maker to make a vehicle the will last longer than the warranty is given for, they want us all to buy a new car every 3 years, even if many of us don’t want to follow that path. If a car lasts 20 years then production will grind to a halt and instead of new cars they will only be making/selling spares Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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22nd Aug 2019 2:41pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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LR are on record saying it will priced from volume buyers through to high end.
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22nd Aug 2019 2:48pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206 
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The trouble is that those calling for a basic utility version (me included) are in a vanishingly small minority. I just can't see it being worth LR's time selling something in that category, as much as I would love them too. Toyota launched their commercial Land Cruiser in the UK last year and I don't think I've seen a single one on the road. Be interesting to see the sales figures. The Japanese pick ups have already got the professional users for a much lower price and technically more basic vehicle than JLR would want to be associated with.
Where the new Defender might be of interest, but at a much higher price, is they might want a piece of the recreational 4x4 market in the US. That has really boomed with the Toyota TRD Pros, Wrangler Rubicon, Ford Raptor etc. Imagine a Defender SVR aimed to compete with those? Could be tremendously impressive. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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22nd Aug 2019 3:01pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge This is said to be a basic utility version, not to be mistaken with a ute  |
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22nd Aug 2019 3:06pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 
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More likely just a "poverty spec" version. Even the older disco models could be had on steel wheels. Still looks like a station wagon body under the covers.
The fact they are totally different to any rim ever fitted to a proper Defender speaks volumes... 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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22nd Aug 2019 4:30pm |
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