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| Santorini Member Since: 09 Feb 2019 Location: Shropshire Posts: 8   
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I saw a camouflaged one today near me in Shropshire. Is the release date imminent?
It was a nice surprise after only seeing images and videos online. |
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7th Aug 2019 8:08pm |
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| BogMonster Member Since: 05 Feb 2008 Location: Stanley Posts: 400  
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The fact that you can hammer the independent systems harder without occupant discomfort is certainly not good for the mechanical health of the vehicle in the longer term. If you abuse live axles you get it back, with the independent systems they are inherently weaker anyway, and can be abused by drivers who either don't realise or don't care. There's a lot of knock-kneed Discovery 3/4 about these days, where the rear suspension geometry is completely shagged. The same applies to all independent suspension systems - Shoguns and the front end of many of the pickups suffer in the same way. The difference is that with a live axle you can change the bushes and get it pretty much back to factory spec with fairly basic tools, while sorting out an independent suspension system that is all to hell is rather more involved! --- 2006 Defender 110 SW 300Tdi • 2011 Ford Ranger XLT crewcab • 2015 Defender 110 Station Wagon Utility TDCi |
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7th Aug 2019 8:38pm |
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That about sums it up for me...and no manual gearbox option.| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181 
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LRO article talks about:
Permanent All wheel drive 3 diff locks D7u based. Standard low range 18-22s All terrains standard Wading depth more than d5's 900mm Coil & air options Diff ratios different to D5 Paddle shifters optional No manual Trademark Alpine windows 110 more comfortable, 90 better offroad due to ramp over. Tested to a level between other fullsize LR's and mil spec. Stronger welded and braced subframes, balljoints, susp arms longer and stiffer. Structural undertrays stiffer. Large objective gains both on and offroad at this stage, without losing core defender DNA. Adaptive dampners  Download full article on thier app, worth the read |
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7th Aug 2019 10:48pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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This is very interesting from the topgear article
Click image to enlarge LRO also talks about it being testing to a level between the current fullsize LRs and mil spec  |
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7th Aug 2019 10:53pm |
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| Inigo Member Since: 13 Nov 2011 Location: Kent Posts: 617 
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I struggled to find a competent local garage to carry out 4 wheel alignment on the disco (they tried but gave up the last time I took it to them) the local LR Dealer couldn't help either.
All these modern systems are great as long as they are supported. I have to take my current D4 on a 80 mile round trip to get it serviced and returned in no worse condition than I left it (local jaguar and land rover dealers owned by same company and both stunningly incompetent). On the basis of the most recent press I'm actually now looking forward to the new defender and will almost certainly get one (after teething issues have been solved by customers). Factory lockers (like the wrangler), low range, 18" wheels, coil springs, sounds like they may have been listening to some of our bleating. |
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7th Aug 2019 11:24pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3259 
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Translation: It's done a few more miles of testing than the Disco. |
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8th Aug 2019 7:06pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1400 
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Yep, sounds about right.
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8th Aug 2019 7:34pm |
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| Markez79 Member Since: 27 Jun 2018 Location: South West Posts: 201 |
Sorry for a stupid question, but how does Terrain Response work if Coil springs are an option? I thought Terrain Response was linked to the air suspension on modern Lamd Rovers? Thanks M |
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8th Aug 2019 10:27pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1400
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The terrain response won't control the suspension on the coil spring versions - maybe adaptive dampers, if fitted.
In the same way Freelanders and Evoques have terrain response, but no air suspension. Throttle response, braking, traction control and gear change can still be set up for different conditions. |
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8th Aug 2019 10:38pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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With the testing, according to the latrst articles and testing they had to rejig some of the test tracks and also use the hardest tracks at Estnor as it was breezing through everything. As an example given they use 2 inch concrete sets rather than the usual 1.
Kerb strikes, bridge jumps and pothole breaks. Not just testing of the wheels and suspension but knock-on effects such as the loads on the engine mounts. Thats all that data is fed into the 6DOF rig and repeated for 8 weeks straight around the clock, simulating 10years extreme use, target is no failures after a strip down. Articles say that was acheived. |
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8th Aug 2019 10:53pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1400
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Well, if the Freelander and Evoque can tackle the easier tracks at Eastnor, they are hardly going to stretch the capabilities of something with longer suspension travel, bigger wheels and low range gearing.
I'd expect them to be using harder test tracks! Sometimes it's best not to believe everything you read. Who is ever going to say that a new vehicle isn't as good as the old one, or the competition? The only thing that is certain from the statements is the new vehicle is not upto military standards. That would be an unrealistic expectation anyway. |
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8th Aug 2019 11:13pm |
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| blackrangie Member Since: 07 Jul 2019 Location: sydney Posts: 181
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Multiple articles have been very specific 4 or 5 last time i checked, do you really think LR is going to tell porkies to all the majpr car mags and put everyones expectations up, just to be let down.
The upgrades over the currentl fullsize LR's are very specific and fit inline with the increased test regime. Subframes have had extra welding snd bracing to prevent cracking and give extra strength. Bushes and balljoints for the susp control arms are more durable. Front lower control arms longer and stiffer. Structural undertrays are stiffer aswell. Its also mentioned its been benchmarked against the "best 4x4s" around the world. Different 4x4s are the best in different countries. JLR are on record in earlier articles saying its been tested against the competition and its exceptional or something similar. LRO also points out the wading will be greater that a D5 which is 900mm! JLR are usually best in class with most stuff so i dont have any reason to no believe these statements looking at things from a glass half full kinda way. Only a few more weeks until we see. 😎 Click image to enlarge |
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8th Aug 2019 11:29pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1400
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...do you really think LR is going to tell porkies to all the majpr car mags and put everyones expectations up, just to be let down.
Do you really think everything that is released to the press hasn't been passed by the PR and Marketing people? Everything will be exactly what they want to get out, with a positive spin put on it. Nothing that they don't want you know about will be publicised. That's the way car launches work. Benchmarking, ALL vehicles are benchmarked against the competition. Fact. Pothole brake tests, kerb strikes, ALL vehicles from a Ford Fiesta up are tested for these events. It's all spin. "If you really hammer a Discovery the subframe cracks, the suspension arms break and the balljoints and bushes wear out" That doesn't sound so good. |
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8th Aug 2019 11:52pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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One AM. I think it is time we hit the sack. People will get the idea that us Defender owners are weird if we keep this up. As if having a liking for beam axles, separate chassis, a good selection of tools is not reason enough. Lets all resume in a couple of hours and it'll give the uninitiated the impression that we are normal....well sort of. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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9th Aug 2019 12:06am |
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