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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387   
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It sounds to me more as though a spring has fallen out, which is the classic genuine clutch plate problem. Clearly you'll find out when you take it to pieces, but I suspect that there may be a conversation with the garage coming on.
If you have to drive a vehicle with no clutch, when you need to stop don't stall the engine (especially on something like a Puma with fearsome anti-stall), just turn the motor off with the key.Similarly just start it in gear and drive off. Once you're moving, it is quite easy to change gear without using the clutch. (Starting and stopping in fact become very much the same as starting and stopping on a steep off-road hill). |
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31st May 2019 10:39am |
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| DG123 Member Since: 29 Aug 2015 Location: North West Posts: 133 
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Thanks Blackwolf.
Good suggestion - why didn’t I think of turning the engine off? 
Will be taking it up the garage later. 2012 110 XS SW Orkney Grey 2003 D2 Td5 Black [SOLD] |
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31st May 2019 10:54am |
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| boxoftricks Member Since: 06 Feb 2019 Location: Home Counties Posts: 747 
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Could be that the clutch fork and release bearing were incorrectly fitted. The fork may have come out where it pivots and dropped down so unable to disengage the clutch. I had that issue on a Chevy V8 previously. I’d give Luke at LOF a call as he is a top guy.
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31st May 2019 11:43am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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No clutch fork on a Puma, is it a coaxial slave cylinder.
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31st May 2019 12:39pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5707
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Possibly incorrectly fitted, if it’s not been a nice drive since install.
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31st May 2019 12:50pm |
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| boxoftricks Member Since: 06 Feb 2019 Location: Home Counties Posts: 747
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31st May 2019 12:53pm |
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| DG123 Member Since: 29 Aug 2015 Location: North West Posts: 133
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To close this off, it was the clutch release bearing (spigot bearing) as originally suspected. It had seized/partially destructed hence was able (albeit noisily) to operate of a fashion to get me back to garage.
Should I have had it changed with the clutch? At £40-50 for the bearing, it’s a gamble but in my case would have worked out cheaper in the long term. Apparently it was a  to get out. 2012 110 XS SW Orkney Grey
2003 D2 Td5 Black [SOLD] |
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7th Jun 2019 8:54am |
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| Roy5695 Member Since: 15 Feb 2014 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1123 
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Was this the little spigot bearing in the end of the crank? Or the concentric slave cylinder which incorporates the release bearing too?
Either way they’re best to replace while the box is off. Saves it having to come off again in cases like this. Luke at LOF sells all these bits too 🤦♂️ Hope your problem is solved. Love 2011 Defender DCPU 2.2 - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic30623.html Instagram - @r22oyp Roy |
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7th Jun 2019 9:21am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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Generally if the slave cylinder on a vehicle is a dsign which requires the gearbox to be removed, it is good practice to replace it at the same time as the clutch. If it is external, then it isn't so advisable.
That being said, on the TDCi it is probably reasonable to replace it every other clutch since clutches have such a pathetically short life! |
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7th Jun 2019 9:22am |
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| DG123 Member Since: 29 Aug 2015 Location: North West Posts: 133
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Slave cylinder with ‘release’ bearing was replaced some months ago with the clutch. This more recent failure was the needle roller bearing on the end of the crank (supports gearbox input shaft) - often called ‘spigot’ bearing.
Maybe was damaged on clutch replacement or just bad luck. Certainly worth considering though when replacing clutch. Anyway, all’s well that ends well. No damage caused apart to my wallet and a bit of inconvenience 2012 110 XS SW Orkney Grey
2003 D2 Td5 Black [SOLD] |
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7th Jun 2019 12:15pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17387
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My bad, I read your post quickly and saw "clutch release bearing", I missed that you were actually referring to the spigot bearing.
The spigot bearing should last a lot longer than most other clutch components, unless you ride the clutch or spend long periods with the clutch out (sitting at lights, for example). I would not normally replace it as a routine item on a clutch change unless I knew it was faulty, especially on a Puma where it is a dog to remove. My Puma spigot bearing has now done 240k miles, my TD5 Disco 2 spigot bearing over 200k miles, neither is (at time of writing) showing any signs of wear or issues. |
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7th Jun 2019 12:30pm |
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