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blackwolf



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Dave, very many thanks for you reply, I was hoping you'd spot my question and provide the definitive answer, and I thought that that might be the case.

All I can say is that I am glad I didn't buy a very late model Defender! Do you have any idea when (chassis no, or t-box no) that this final great "enhancement" was introduced? The one in my photo I think came out of an 81D prefix box.
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diesel_jim



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Crazy.... the LT230 is renound as the most hardy part of a LR drivetrain (even amongst Jeep owners)


So LR fininsh production with a more powerful engine, more torque, and a weaker intermediate shaft and weaker t/box

Just shows the idiots are in charge of the asylum!
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Bluest



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Is/was the LT230 made by LR or is it supplied by a gearbox manufacturer? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Caterham



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It's good to see that before production ended they 'performed system integration' and brought the transfer box 'in line' with everything else ensuring they all work (fail) in harmony.
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Caterham



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I find it staggering. I'd have thought on such a relatively low production number that it didn't cost more to instigate the change than it did to save money? crackers.
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Mike c



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This is quite interesting (anorak mode on), I guess they thought that most people buying them in the last couple of years were not going to ever actually work them hard so it didn't matter if it was a bit weaker! Whistle
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Caterham



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I would doubt that much thought went into it.
My guess is the decision went little further than £
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ashtrans wrote:
Hi,

the top one is stock used on most LT230's

the lower one is the very late TDCi stock open diff, open 2 pin design

used for approx last 2 years of production, major step backwards, making the weak link even weaker !!

I guess just a cost saving exercise, certainly not an improvement,


If I've got this right, Puma Defenders had a reputation for blowing 2 pin diffs in the front axle. So much so that Landrover decided to change the 110 front diff to 4 pin.
Then they fitted a 2 pin diff in the transfer box for their valued customers... Thud Banging Head
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diesel_jim



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The company is clearly run by idiots
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Zed



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Yep but as always the joke is on us.
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bottom line, bottom line, bottom line as long as we can get money out of them and it out the door, Ho give Shi Censored
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blackwolf



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I wonder how many forum contributors are reading this thread with a sinking feeling and thinking "I probably have one of those in my transfer box".
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1 for sure. Neutral
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Mike_E



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Black wolf- I am 1 of them!

Probably explains the load of backlash i have in my Oct 15 90....
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