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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298   
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just putting it out there.
put yourself in their shoes for a moment...... if you lived on a typical residential estate where the vast majority of it is made up of detached houses built circa 1980's. the entire estate of say 200 houses is open plan ie no walls or fences in the front gardens. those with additional gardens to the front which are say shared between the houses opposite (when I say additional gardens some might call them 'greens' when the houses are set further back). any how say you own one of the larger houses ie 5 bed, twin garge , cul-de-sac position etc. nice green in front etc. THEN. your neighbour sells up. new occupants move in and before consultation with planning decide the green should be turned into their own car park with new surrounding wall. a new wall then pops up in front of the house / garden too. Then a letter lands on the front mat notifying you of their plans to turn the house into a nursery for 51 children and obviously all of the coming and goings of cars that will be associated with that. would you be pleased, not bothered or other. be interested to know you thoughts on this. |
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17th Mar 2019 7:15pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5698 
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I’d be livid.
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17th Mar 2019 7:24pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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/\ yep I'd be livid too.
thankfully it's not my next door neighbour but it's not that far away either. 35 objections have been submitted to the council and guess what in their correspondence it states that any loss in house is not their concern / issue! it's times like this I start to that homicide is perhaps quite understandable  ...almost acceptable  |
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17th Mar 2019 7:53pm |
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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3641  
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gutted for you,
I live near Birmingham Business park, they have just build a big ware house about 1/8th-1/4 of a mile from my house and I can see it lit up like a christmas tree from the rear of the garden just great! DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS, I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy |
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17th Mar 2019 7:56pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905 
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That does sound terrible. They'll need planning consent to run a nursery, which should assess the impact of traffic etc. I'd take it up with the council. James
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17th Mar 2019 8:05pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8581
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First thing is to have a close look at the deeds and see what covenants/conditions are attached. There may well be restrictions on what can and cannot be done with the front gardens i.e. no boundary walls/fences/hedges etc.
Start speaking to the planning department and local councillors about the proposed change of use. Start looking at the requirements for nurseries. Now I am guessing under OFSTED (?) requirements there will be security conditions etc attached. i.e. fences/gates etc which may well not be in keeping with the residential estate. Then there is traffic management to look at. Parking for say 6-10 staff plus drop off and pick up by 30/40/50 cars? Good luck, start your research. Brendan |
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17th Mar 2019 8:07pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822 
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Illegal, Planning is required under use class order 1987 from Class C residential to Class D1 public services, generally requires consent of neighbours and council.
Is the Grass Area a "common area" lawn or private property? LR i have a driving range 1.5Km and another larger one 3.0KM away, but we back out onto farmland. I can see plumes of light in the sky all the time as they're 24/7. As a child i could see the stars and the smokey cities skyscrapers from where i live, no longer. I got lost one night and found my way back home by orientating myself with the beacons. Funnily enough the farmer owns the land and has attempted to repossess the closer one by terminating the lease, but the golf club stooges has successfully sued him for loss of earnings should they close. Its a shame because we do serious night shoots out back with hi tech tubular NV gear, and because of the plumes generated by the ranges it messes with them and they shut off to prevent exposure. There have been some night the light Has bee so obtrusive to my sleep that i have genuinely considered going down there and shooting out the spotlights falling down style... Also they Built an ALDI, just off the motorway, but the entrance is a left off a motorway at a crossroad junction, then left at a T junction less than 5m from motorway, then left nto my road via another T junction 15 ms from the last junction making the traffic a nightmare, its taken me 30 mins to get out the end of my road, add to the fact theres no parking people park outside my place, and they come racing down a 30MPH residential street at 60mph has resulted in many wing mirrors smashed and static crashes... For that sole reason i hate golf & aldi, as i'm sure you're going to hate nurseries... I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html  Last edited by OsloBlue on 17th Mar 2019 8:29pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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17th Mar 2019 8:21pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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/\ agreed.
the immediate neighbours are on the case. call me cynical but even in light of all the various things noted above ie lease, etc etc I suspect it'll be successful. it's located on the corner of a cul-de-sac less than 50 mtrs from another junction of a reasonably main road (40mph). the submitted plans although close in appearance to what they're doing are clearly a little miss leading as is the planning proposal which at best has little white lies in there to make it all sound rather good. deception in my book. parking opposite the cul-de-sac is already an issue (very minor) due to people parking up to take their dogs for a walk. now opposite these cars there's going to be mum's dropping kids off - minor problem will become big problem and a dangerous one at that. BUT I suspect they'll still get away with it. and if they do get away with it I would certainly have no sympathy for them should homicide fall upon them via their neighbours..... it get to the point where people think there is no other option. I could imagine the neighbours thinking we've been screwed over and the only option left is to dispose of the neighbours
If I were the neighbour I'd be spitting feathers and printing off blue prints on how to build an artillery gun  |
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17th Mar 2019 8:22pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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Also if i were you i would bally up, go for a walk one night, smash the wall down, then go for another walk and stay out or something.
Not compelling you to actually do it, but if you don't it might become mired in beurocracy. Also do you have a map image i have a friend who works as an planning applications guy who might be able to give some advice, if you want to PM me I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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17th Mar 2019 8:26pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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[quote="OsloBlue"]Illegal, Planning is required under use class order 1987 from Class C residential to Class D1 public services, generally requires consent of neighbours and council.
Is the Grass Area a "common area" lawn or private property? yep they've applied for change of use. /\ 'generally requires consent of neighbours and council....... or you simply need the same surname as head of planning 
The grass area appears to be common but in fact is demised / split up and is associated with the house in front of it. |
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17th Mar 2019 8:27pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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sorry forgot to ask.
does anyone have a mortar tube and ammo for sale please? |
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17th Mar 2019 8:28pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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bit off a scaffold i think...
Please note its properly decommissioned before anyone calls the police I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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17th Mar 2019 8:35pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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decommissioned?
I think you misunderstood my intentions
and besides it's much smaller than I was thinking  |
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17th Mar 2019 9:05pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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Yeah no i just didn't want to be "swatted" by someone who perhaps might not understand.
Back when i was in the army, we would have regular talks about Domestic terror groups and how we had to report any suspicious behaviour up the chain, Couple months after that, some blokes from the local infantry regiment were caught as members of National action, i knew one professionally, and another was a friends cousin. Funny story time, we had a young officer cadet attached straight out of uni, he left his workstation unlocked so someone decided to teach him a lesson on PERSEC & OPSEC by typing in "how to make bombs in the name of communism" (he was idealistic and leaning of the left, not abnormally so for a regular citizen, but far too left for us to be comfortable with) No one pressed enter on his keyboard but someone (GCHQ?) picked up on it at least being put in before it was erased, and within minutes MPs were dispatched to thoroughly question him, he came back to the desk moments later none the wiser, and the door flung open, and was subjected to a puzzling interview about radicalism which was unintentionally fuelled by our comments. Anyway he learnt his lesson on locking the computer after hours of interview. Anyway nice chap, doing well these days... I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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17th Mar 2019 9:21pm |
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