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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060   
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+1 for the Puma.
Having had 300 TDI, 2.4 and now 2.2, and because I do like to use our Landy in places that happen to be many hundred kilometers away from home, I really appreciate the improvements that the post 2007 model introduced. Seat heating, integrated AC, electric windows and central locking may sound out of context to some, but in the big picture, it is still the Landy that we all know and love and is still light years away from all the modern SUV’s. The six speed box is excellent (if not as charismatic as the GKN overdrive I had in the TDI). Like many on the forum, I didn‘t like the Puma dash at first sight, but absolutely love it now. In todays world, it is still the most eccentric combination of modern gubbins in a 1948 package. In my view, it is brilliant! Build quality of the later vehicles (Pumas generally) has definitely gone downhill, particularly the bodyshell, so look carefully for the known corrosion and leaky tub and cabin issues issues. The well documented transfer shaft issue cannot be ignored, and is a fat minus point for the Puma. At the first signs of the teltale rust-dust, I had mine swapped out for an Ashcroft one, and have had no problems. If I would use a Landy for local trips on sunny days, or as an off-road beater, I‘d want a Series or a TDi or TD5. However, if it is to be used for every day duties and longer trips (or if it is my only car), I‘d go for a Puma.  Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MTs, Recaro CSs, anorak, wellingtons |
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12th Jan 2019 8:05am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
http://www.mdengineering.co.uk/shop/adapti...d-gearbox/ |
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12th Jan 2019 8:35am |
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| pj2106 Member Since: 20 Dec 2012 Location: Huntingdon AKA The Shire Posts: 1500  
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Td5 and Puma box is an option as above 2008 110 2.4 XS Utility (Hagrid)
2002 90 TD5 Hardtop (Sully) Sold 1998 300TDi D1 (Billy) Sold |
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12th Jan 2019 9:15am |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 484  
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Forget about the mpg in this forum because fuel consumption depends only on speed
Nothing to worry about if you're a slow driver. If you loved the Puma (and there are so many reasons for it as explained in the posts above) you'd better take an early 2.2 because of the important improvements being made after TATA bought Land Rover from Ford. I think Ford had a really good idea with this Transit conversion of the Land Rover (but poor and economical performance). TATA came up with some good improvements and pushed the Puma to more perfection (a 2.2. is not just a 2.4 with a DPF being added...) The late 2.2 have a different security system (not the 10AS) which you cannot influence / stop any more - and I don't know if I liked this ... |
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12th Jan 2019 9:41am |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5172
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Could I fit bench seats to these if a half decent one came up? or will I have to go front facing seats? Mine only had two people ever in the back! which were one offs. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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27th Jan 2019 1:25am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785 
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It's a grey area legally and, without going into the legal wormhole of mights and ifs, is basically a no.
2007 there was quite a lot of legislation change hence the front centre seat (with lap belt) and bench/sideways tip ups were dropped in favour of the forward facing ones. This was also the year that the legislation for A bars and such changed I believe  2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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27th Jan 2019 2:59am |
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| Co1 Member Since: 19 Aug 2018 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3675 
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I had a bench seat in mine, so the answer would be yes, however mine had no seat belts so weren’t road legal. Depends what you need. |
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27th Jan 2019 8:08am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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This sort of thing tends to restrict manufacturers rather than owners, i.e. it's illegal to build them like that but not to fit them afterwards (much like bull bars). There are several people on here who've retrofitted side-facing seats and belts and have no trouble with MOT's or insurance. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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27th Jan 2019 8:25am |
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| grafty99 Member Since: 15 Aug 2012 Location: North Devon Posts: 4785
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I stand corrected on the fitting sideways seats (from the gov.uk website) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications...n-the-rear However, if there is no room in the back left for carrying goods then
So this could have implications but you'd probably be fine for occasional use 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
1990 Vogue SE Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html Tdi 110 Thread https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic69562.html RRC Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic54492.html Instagram http://www.instagram.com/george_grafton |
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27th Jan 2019 9:13am |
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| HK07 Member Since: 15 Dec 2016 Location: Hampshire Posts: 746 
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Go for it Procta, had my 07 2.4 for over 10 years, I still love it now as much as when I got it.
So far, it's been great. Did I mention I love it? 2007 90 Puma - Love it - Best car I have ever owned. 1989 Ninety 200tdi - Love it - Second best car I have ever owned. 1951 80" Series 1 - Love it - Third best car I have ever owned. |
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27th Jan 2019 8:30pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17383 
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I have to say that personally I disagree totally with this sentiment and would always choose the 2.4 over the 2.2. I don't think that there were any improvements at all with the 2.2 except possibly the return to a fuel pump in the tank, and in reality there is no disadvantage to the 2.4's mechanical pump over this. The only changes are to fuel and emission systems and they simply make the 2.2 harder to self-maintain and less tunable. If you don't need the 'cleaner' engine my feeling is don't bother. I don't think Tata did any re-engineering, they were simply obliged to fit the 2.2 in place of the 2.4 due to emissions regulations and the consequent demise of Ford's 2.4 in the European marketplace. I'd be genuinely interested to know what could possibly be considered an improvement. |
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27th Jan 2019 10:07pm |
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| hornet Member Since: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Western Europe Posts: 361 |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I emphasize the statement of Blackwolf, less is much more in this case! |
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28th Jan 2019 11:58am |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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I have a 2.4, my last two tanks of commuting along the A14 have given me 31.5MPG which isn't the end of the world. Motorway driving through Europe I get similar. If I drop to 60-65 MPH (instead of an indicated 70) then I can get it a bit higher. Lots of short journeys and it drops, premium diesel is a bit better.
The EGR valve died around 20k miles, it was cheaper to disable it than replace it. The clutch died at 15k miles (I bought it at 13k miles), I assume that it was abused by the previous owners. I'm still on the replacement clutch at 69k miles and whlist it doesn't get much heavy towing it does get a lot of hard off road. Some years (2011-12) have an issue where the welds on the axle fail and the wheel falls off. That's not a good thing. Some early ones had issues with piston cooling causing a dead engine. I've used a TD5 quite a bit at a previous job, and whilst I have done a long 600 mile trip in a day towing a trailer, it was miserable and I would much prefer to do it in the Puma. I am comfortable cruising about 10MPH higher in the Puma than the TD5. My daily limit is about 700 miles. |
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28th Jan 2019 2:12pm |
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| Dreamweapon Member Since: 19 Dec 2016 Location: Hessische Odenwald Posts: 55  
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I'm happy with my 2.4, hasn't broken down in the two years I have owned it (although frequently sounds like it is about to). In Germany I've seen 2.4 Tdci Tranny Vans from 2006 onwards being advertised for sale with over 350000 miles on the clock, with original engine. The ones with the piston cooling jet problem, will have been either fixed or scrapped by now.
The Duratorq is probably one of the longest lasting diesels ever fitted to a Landy. One weakness is the emissions system (EGR) which tends to soot up (more like oily tar) if you drive short distances too often, which is more likely in a Landy than a Tranny. |
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28th Jan 2019 2:46pm |
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