DefenderOfTheEarth wrote:

MSE - you have just shown a very slim knowledge of cars.

Most Audis are FWD, overpriced, understeer horribly. BMWs beat them pretty much every time in every test because they use balanced RWD chassis layouts and are much better built than both Merc and Audi. And very few Mercs handle well despite some being RWD. Oh and they buiild quality is still shocking in many for a "premium" car.

I suggest you stick to comments solely on 4WDs.

And white cars are only for young and trendy people like you eh?

I shall refrain from commenting apart from

I wasnt comparing Audis against BMW's i was camparing them all as absolute crap - BMW's just more so; mainly as most of them just look dog ugly and yet the driver (usually like the outside of a hedgehog) thinks they are uber cool.

Audis are going the way of BMW's in terms of owner attitude, although their redeeming feature is they still have a bit of exterior design and fun - unlike the BMW which continue to be dog ugly inside and out.

That is before we mention actually how rubbish BMW's are...reliability isnt all that; i know a few who need various components that make land rovers look lame (engines, gearboxes and diffs - one guy in particular i know had massive issues with his M3). Ok they balance the odd chassis, so does many others and to be honest you probably wouldnt notice the difference on the motorway anyway! But then throw some snow, ice, rain infact anything at a BMW all their balanced RWD chassis stuff goes out of the window anyway as the owner is still waiting to get out of the drive, let alone get on the road

We wont mention how they shafted both LR and Rover...take the mini - a Rover design, stolen as part of the reason for purchase the group, just as some of the x5 systems were taken from the Range Rover. Shocking, often overlooked as people focus of Phonix

So in short Jeep, i dont need to justify. BMW and Audi - it wasnt a comparison it was a statement about both!

I assume you own a BMW, if you do probably a black one - i understand they only do Blue, Black and Grey now

Just on white - yes actually, showing an 80's car (i wont mention
Click image to enlarge) proves nothing about now Mike

mse wrote:

First i said clearly i just dont like BMW's for a number of tangible and other reasons.

Many cars win test after test. Some cars that win these so called tests dont do well "real world"

Trying to goad me on the whole RRS FFRR thing...carry on, it would only be the sort of thing to expect from a BMW owner... usually why the BMW owner reputation is there - and for the record the RRS is a proper range rover, in the same way a disco is a land rover. Personally im on record saying that given the choice (which i had) the FFRR isnt for me, the sport is by far better in again tangible and none tangible ways and as i have liked it since i saw the first pre-production i can only say im glad they are popular.

One thing for sure my RRS cann do everything both your defender and BMW can do in one car!

Its often amazing that the only people who dont see what the rest of the world thinks of BMW drivers are BMW drivers

Last word from me said - i have nothing to prove here

So does your RRS go fast? No.

It it fully capable off road? No.

Is it good on fuel? No.

Has it got a decent sized boot? No.

Does it make you look like a wannabee footballer? Yes.

I am no blinded BMW fanboi - the image put me of them for many years and they make some SH*TE models (X3, X1, anything with a 20i engine, any car that hasn't had it's runflats ditched, etc, etc), 90% of BMW drivers are utter muppets (although RRS drivers are worse - they had to make up for not having a proper RR) who bought the car mainly for image BUT they make very well screwed together cars (only Porsche and Lexus can compete for build quality) that handle well, go well, are amazing on emissions (165bhp and sub 110g/km - outstanding) and if you buy them for the right reasons (not image) then they are usually fantastic.

But you know that anyway and are just having a wee hissy fit because some/most of us don't like your "chav that's made a few bob" wagon.

You seem more than happy to bash everyone elses cars though - especially Defenders. On a Defender forum  Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.

DefenderOfTheEarth wrote:

mse wrote:

First i said clearly i just dont like BMW's for a number of tangible and other reasons.

Many cars win test after test. Some cars that win these so called tests dont do well "real world"

Trying to goad me on the whole RRS FFRR thing...carry on, it would only be the sort of thing to expect from a BMW owner... usually why the BMW owner reputation is there - and for the record the RRS is a proper range rover, in the same way a disco is a land rover. Personally im on record saying that given the choice (which i had) the FFRR isnt for me, the sport is by far better in again tangible and none tangible ways and as i have liked it since i saw the first pre-production i can only say im glad they are popular.

One thing for sure my RRS cann do everything both your defender and BMW can do in one car!

Its often amazing that the only people who dont see what the rest of the world thinks of BMW drivers are BMW drivers

Last word from me said - i have nothing to prove here

So does your RRS go fast? No.

It it fully capable off road? No.

Is it good on fuel? No.

Has it got a decent sized boot? No.

Does it make you look like a wannabee footballer? Yes.

I am no blinded BMW fanboi - the image put me of them for many years and they make some SH*TE models (X3, X1, anything with a 20i engine, any car that hasn't had it's runflats ditched, etc, etc), 90% of BMW drivers are utter muppets (although RRS drivers are worse - they had to make up for not having a proper RR) who bought the car mainly for image BUT they make very well screwed together cars (only Porsche and Lexus can compete for build quality) that handle well, go well, are amazing on emissions (165bhp and sub 110g/km - outstanding) and if you buy them for the right reasons (not image) then they are usually fantastic.

But you know that anyway and are just having a wee hissy fit because some/most of us don't like your "chav that's made a few bob" wagon.

You seem more than happy to bash everyone elses cars though - especially Defenders. On a Defender forum

Meow!!! DoE I don't tend to agree with many of your posts or MSEs for that matter but you've hit the nail on the head there  Formerly mao99999
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