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lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2898

Play in gear lever?

The gear lever (on my 2005 TD5) has about two inches of side to side play when in fifth gear.
In the other gears there’s only a half inch of play.

Fifth gear does work fine, but is it normal to have this much play in the lever? It’s done 105,000 miles.

14th Nov 2018 5:48pm

4RF RDS

Member Since: 19 Jul 2015
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 952

2000 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Epsom Green

Check this and adjust first.

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14th Nov 2018 6:35pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 5111

2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Trident Green

Usually, it is the bias springs that have weakened and need adjustment also it might be worth checking the NYLON CUP that the gear lever sits in for wear as well. To adjust try putting the gear lever first in third and then loosen the lock nuts and adjust one of the two bolts until all play has been removed. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

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14th Nov 2018 6:55pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
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Thanks for the information l adjusted the bias springs a while ago to stop the lever vibrating at certain RPM. That’s all fine now except for fifth gear.

Is the nylon cup easy enough to replace and could it wear in a way that only affects fifth gear?

14th Nov 2018 7:35pm

4RF RDS

Member Since: 19 Jul 2015
Location: Ottawa
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To answer the question about the plastic bushing (cup) yes it could cause the play though, not likely as much as you describe. Its intent of that item is to diminish vibration and rattling. 2010 Range Rover MkIII Autobiography Super Charged (Idris)
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1972 Series III 300 Tdi (Stanwood)
1967 MGB GT

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14th Nov 2018 7:52pm

4RF RDS

Member Since: 19 Jul 2015
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 952

Maybe worth a disassembly and look for wear and tightness of all linkages, screws and pins etc. Especially the grub screw (item 16). The shift tower also wears out on high mileage vehicles and would require replacing.

Good luck. .

14th Nov 2018 8:01pm

grafty99

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Also the slots in the turret itself can wear

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14th Nov 2018 9:37pm

4RF RDS

Member Since: 19 Jul 2015
Location: Ottawa
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Like I said... the shift turret (item number 1)wears out on high mileage vehicles.

2010 Range Rover MkIII Autobiography Super Charged (Idris)
2003 Range Rover Mk III (Desmond FitzWilliam)
2000 Defender 110 CSW TD5 (CTX)
1992 Range Rover Classic (Lizzy)
1972 Series III 300 Tdi (Stanwood)
1967 MGB GT

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

14th Nov 2018 10:06pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2898

OK thanks l will get on to that.

I assume that it’s a fairly easy job to replace the shift turret, if needed?

14th Nov 2018 10:09pm

4RF RDS

Member Since: 19 Jul 2015
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 952

Yup

14th Nov 2018 10:15pm

Harry.O

Member Since: 25 Jul 2014
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 716

Lovely and simple, pull the gaiter off, remove the gear stick, there's a fiddly smaller gaiter covering the bias springs which needs lifting then undo the 4 bolts holding the turret on and lift it off. There's a video on youtube about how to transfer the springs to a new turret but it's easy. Throw some grease in there whilst apart.

Well worth checking the grub screw #16 shown in the pic that 4RF RDS posted. I fitted a new turret to a recon gearbox almost 2 years ago then earlier this year i lost all gears apart from 3rd. Turned out there was no Loctite on the grub screw and it had worked loose. 2005 Td5 110 Hardtop
1989 300Tdi 90 Soft top
1992 200Tdi 90 Truck cab with Land Cruiser axles

15th Nov 2018 5:31am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

if you have some spare cash lying around, I highly recommend you fit a Slickshift

https://www.onlinegearboxparts.com/product...lickshift/

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15th Nov 2018 6:39am

4RF RDS

Member Since: 19 Jul 2015
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 952

Second the recommendation to install a slick shift. One of the best mods you can make to your Defrnder

15th Nov 2018 1:44pm

ashtrans
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Member Since: 08 Nov 2008
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Hi,

check 16 is tight but its item 22 that governs how far the lever moves to the right to get 5th Dave

15th Nov 2018 8:20pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2898

So that can be adjusted by the look of it.

I might try that, as it’s only fifth gear the rest are OK.

15th Nov 2018 9:00pm

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