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Cummins have been working with Petersen's magazine for a few years to promote the R2.8
They have sponsored the Ultimate Adventure in 2017 and 2018 and provided engines for 3 vehicles the magazine has built.

Range Rover,
http://www.fourwheeler.com/ultimate-advent...nge-rover/

Testing with Cummins
http://www.fourwheeler.com/features/1710-b...h-cummins/

Jeeps,
http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/engine/1...-wrangler/

http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/engine/1...iest-jeep/

http://www.fourwheeler.com/ultimate-advent...17-ua2017/
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Andy80



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dorsetsmith wrote:
I would expect Cummins use the same basic engine in generators and all sorts, so parts will be available, albeit from a limited number of sources. Thumbs Up



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I have worked and lived with CAT 3516's and they were sooo durable would run with all day with Torched valves and flat Camshafts.... Bow down Working towards Carry on camping!
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I'd be interested in something like this when my 2.4 TDCi gives up the ghost (hopefully in many years time).

A 6BT is massive overkill for a Defender, they're the sort of thing fitted to a 7.5t lorry. 4BT more appropriate but it's still a 4l lump of an engine. For a stationary application I wouldn't mind one as they last for every but IMO too much weight for a Defender.

The R2.8 is an ideal combination of power, torque weight etc.

I have no idea what the regulations are regarding newer vehicles like the TDCi.
Post #731493 27th Sep 2018 11:35am
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If I had to spend all those $$$ and effort on a re-power, I'd be more inclined to go for an LS3 V-8... Sure, its a few pennies more, but its a whole different outcome Twisted Evil
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Bluest



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It's horses for courses. For hooning about, petrol V8 every time. But long distance touring, expedition, overland etc, I'd take this Cummins. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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@Bluest - one of each would be ideal Very Happy
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Bluest



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That's the logical conclusion! 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Oldyellar



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I think the R2.8 looks to be an amazing little engine and there will probs be plenty scope for power upgrades once it becomes more established
Post #731953 30th Sep 2018 9:54am
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Bluest



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I don’t believe these are available outside the US. I suspect that it is expensive to gain certification so they only do it where they know sales would be good. Probably not worth the cost to bring to Europe.

Be interested to know, if you could get hold of one here, would it be legal to use in a road vehicle? If it is, are the rules different depending on the age of the vehicle you put it in? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Cupboard wrote:


A 6BT is massive overkill for a Defender, they're the sort of thing fitted to a 7.5t lorry. 4BT more appropriate but it's still a 4l lump of an engine. For a stationary application I wouldn't mind one as they last for every but IMO too much weight for a Defender.


The 6BT is more likely found in 12t lorry's I think, 4BT's can be had in 7.5t. From experience of driving such lorries though, the 4cylinder ones are always rougher at idle, perhaps more by sound than actual vibration. I think if I was going to do it I'd have to fit the 6 cylinder just for the sound.
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Oldyellar



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Bluest wrote:
I don’t believe these are available outside the US. I suspect that it is expensive to gain certification so they only do it where they know sales would be good. Probably not worth the cost to bring to Europe.

Be interested to know, if you could get hold of one here, would it be legal to use in a road vehicle? If it is, are the rules different depending on the age of the vehicle you put it in?


Surely a brand new common rail turbo diesel isn't going to effect the ozone layer as much as a 200/300tdi or a 2.5turbo
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Yes but the production of said engine does, for example the pollution that's put into the atmosphere to build a Prius is massive. I'm not going to try and workout what the breakeven point is on a new engine like this but I do imagine it's allot lower.... but probably higher than you're thinking.

Keeping a classic car on the road is generally a much smaller carbon footprint over the course of the average useful life of a car, around 8 years or 150,000 miles. 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
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Bluest



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Oldyellar wrote:
Bluest wrote:
I don’t believe these are available outside the US. I suspect that it is expensive to gain certification so they only do it where they know sales would be good. Probably not worth the cost to bring to Europe.

Be interested to know, if you could get hold of one here, would it be legal to use in a road vehicle? If it is, are the rules different depending on the age of the vehicle you put it in?


Surely a brand new common rail turbo diesel isn't going to effect the ozone layer as much as a 200/300tdi or a 2.5turbo


That’s true, but internal combustion engines sold new in U.K. will have have certain EU emissions certification to be allowed. My Briggs engined mower has EU2 or something compliance and specifically states not legal in the US despite being made there. That would imply that an engine that meets the US standard probably doesn’t meet EU standards. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Oldyellar



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I couldn't see it being a problem (emissions wise) retro fitting it in place of the earlier diesel engines fitted to defenders
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Grenadier wrote:
I also agree. Living in the EU as I do, near a city that has already brought in a part-ban (Lyon), near a country with ever-stricter emmissions laws (Switzerland) and in a region with notoriously high levels of pollution (the Alps), I think the anti-diesel sentiments will only get stronger and become more of a burden on big, old 4x4 diesel cars. So if I was ever going to go through the effort/cost of fitting a brand new engine, that is not a like-for-like swap, I would now be seriously considering the JE Engineering Ford 2.3l Ecoboost upgrade. Better emmissions, quieter, cleaner, more fuel efficient, easy swap, half the price of a V8 and still between 300-350bhp. I'm giving it some very serious thought as possibly the best future-proofing option to keep the beast on the road for the next 25 years Thumbs Up


I don't know how many on here watch the australian mighty car mods channel, but I'd love a Barra engine if they were easier to get hold of over here.... 4L inline turbo 6, and stock outputs from 250 to 400HP. Modified versions and the sky's the limit!
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