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DasLandRoverMan

Member Since: 24 May 2011
Location: Dumfries & Galloway
Posts: 31

1984 Defender 110 300 Tdi HT Epsom Green

My 110 gets worked fairly hard also, it's been well used for all it's 26 years, and continues to do just about everything I ask of it.
There's no way I'd use an L200 or a Navara in it's place, and there's a great majority of the farmers in my area agree with me.
However, I can't say if I could give it a bit more go, improve the fuel economy etc, that I wouldn't, and I really must admit that the John Eales TDV6 130 featured in LRO a few months back would be a 100% ideal Land Rover for me, even more so than the 110 I run now.

The other thing to remember with engines is that there are reasons behind varying capacitys. Fair enough a twin turbo 1200 cc bike engine can be tuned to give 200bhp, but it'll be running at 8000rpm to get it. An 8 litre truck engine can also be tuned for 200bhp, but has a much higher torque output, and will deliver it at say 1500 rpm, with a lot less stress on the components.

Ok the 2.2 may have the same performance figures as the 2.4, all achieved with electronic tuning and mire reliance on the turbo etc....
I'm not saying it won't work, but a larger capacity engine such as the TDV6 could well be a better option than a smaller capacity Ford TDCi, an engine that doesn't have the best of reputations anyways? 1982 Wife
1984 300 Tdi 110 H/T 'Recovery'

Plus 4 kids and a dog.

Previously owned: 1956 86" Series I, 1960 SWB Series II, 1964 Series IIA Forward Control, 1966 Series IIB Forward Control, 1969 Series IIA Lightweight, 1969 Series IIA One Ton, 1973 Series III One Ton, 1975 101 Forward Control, 1987 V8 90 CSW, 1988 2.5 TD 90, 1988 V8 110 CSW, 1992 200Tdi Defender 90, 1993 V8 Range Rover, 1995 300 Tdi Discovery.

28th May 2011 9:16am

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

Maybe a V6 would be a nice option, but commercially it is a nogo for such a small number of vehicles (I would not buy one, anyways). Can't see a reliability issue with the Ford TDCi either. The 2.2 is built into Ford Transit since 2006 and there it really is mistreated by thousands of jerks driving them to hell. The beginning of common rail was a pain for all vendors, but there is not really much of an issue left now. Yes, you can - drive a common rail diesel to death easily, much more easy then you ever could do on one of the old fashioned engines (some call it progress).

28th May 2011 9:33am

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4636

I don't need a monster machine eating fuel and my money like hell.
I HAVE KIDS TO DO THAT.

1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

28th May 2011 10:24am

pannawonica

Member Since: 21 Nov 2010
Location: Clackline Western Australia
Posts: 568

I do have to agree with Spudfan. As a frugal Sowerby Yorkshire man I have driven effies and large capacity Japers.
Make no mistake even lightly loaded they do not do more than 5 or 6 to the litre, just hamered the Puma thousand mile empty 10k litre, return fully loaded 11k litre. The latest cruiser 4500cc V8 strangely revs at 2000 at 80km go figure!
There is still no substitute for cc however there is a place for efficiency.
Naks has a point, they need to work more towards durability it is sadly lacking. Having said that plenty of Tojos these days poop themselves but that is no excuse.

28th May 2011 11:25am

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
Posts: 397

@pannawonica: even though you are alright, mind usage is doomed nowadays. Let us wait for a time where knowledge is not overwhelmed by political stupidity ... a 3 liter diesel engine running for 1 mio miles always be better then anything born from so-called green brains.

28th May 2011 7:39pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4636

Have seen a fair few badly serviced,ill maintained,overworked Transits and none of them suffering from engine trouble. Still I would not be keen on buying one second hand down the line. Some have a problem with the back axle and splaying wheels,rusting bodies and even with a low brain cell count of the driver. The engine it seems has a very high immune system. Have come across Japanese stuff with engine problems "too expensive to fix" according to the owners. Some KIA'S have had engine and transmission problems not dealt with particularly well with, despite a seven year warranty.
The Tdci in 2.4 and 2.2 guise puts out more power than previous Land Rover 2.5 units. Fair enough either of these power units may not be first choice for crossing the Sahara or towing 3.5 tonnes day in day out. Me I am lucky to get the Puma for the odd outing to the hills so the Sahara does not come into my reckoning. Loading up the Puma with family and gear it drives wonderfully so I like it. Will never push it to it's limits so I am sure with regular service and maintenance it will last me out. Not keen on a DPF for the 2.2 but if you live in a world run by bureaucrats you have to accept rules and regulations-now matter how idiotic some of them are. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

28th May 2011 11:25pm

David128

Member Since: 31 Jan 2010
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 30

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Zermatt Silver

Sure a 3.0l would be good but the Puma has not let me down just as the Td5 did before and the 300tdi before that. I don't have a problem with one engine for the world, better than dumping old polluting designs in parts of the world where emission legislation is not high on the agenda. The payload and ability is what I am after in an extended tourer, without the cost of a G Wagon. The only other item I would like is stability control, just for those off camber corrugated gravel corners.

29th May 2011 10:43am

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Fuji White

Might not be about the current engine but tell me this is not to die for.Muscle Diesels are yuuuummmmyyyy.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutoria...ender.html

I wish I could do this and take my hat off to this lad.

Puma 110 SW
90 V8 SOFT TOP

29th May 2011 12:09pm

Toplink

Member Since: 05 Dec 2010
Location: Somerset
Posts: 159

[quote="Naks"]This post from a fellow SA Defender owner sums it up nicely:

[quote]Oh how cute! I cannot wait for them to change to a eco-friendly 500cc engine with 5 turbo's, 3 superchargers, and a electric drive! That is so FABulous!

OK serious now: why don't LR call the new engine the "Two and a Quarter" and then going with the Tata Telcoline 2 litre engine, and finally back to the roots in bringing back the original 1600cc. Besides, with green laning being restricted more and more every year in England, what is the use of having a LR over there at all? Everything is designed around Euro 5 or 6 or 7 nowadays, how about Africa 0?

In darkest Africa and the Outback of Oz people still prefer a proper lump of old technology. Bring us a 3 litre diesel turbo, something with exhaust fumes that will keep the mosquitos away, something that can digest a litre of water in the fuel tank without requiring R30k to replace injectors and pumps, something that can cross a 1,5 meter deep river without dying, something that you can tune with a 13mm spanner and a screwdriver (no laptop required). I am just more convinced to keep to my old Landy, and rather fix her and keep her in good shape, than to spend hundreds of thousands on new things that will just irritate the crap out of me.[/quote][/quote]
I agree But you should have said tune with a1/2 spanner,screwdriver,hammer and a length of baler twine. Its never over in my land rover.
2007 Defender HTop.
1952 Series One 80"
1977 Muir-Hill 111.
2014 Triumph Tiger800xc
1999 Discovery 2 td5
1982 Ransomes TSR300D.
2002 Yamaha XT600e.
2010 Freelander2 (the wifes)
2008 John Deere X140

30th May 2011 10:37am

Toplink

Member Since: 05 Dec 2010
Location: Somerset
Posts: 159

If you have done any work on a tdv6 you would not want one in a defender.Turbo replacement on a disco3 can take 2 days,egr units 4-5 hours.In a defender some bits would be more accessable smoe would be impossible. Its never over in my land rover.
2007 Defender HTop.
1952 Series One 80"
1977 Muir-Hill 111.
2014 Triumph Tiger800xc
1999 Discovery 2 td5
1982 Ransomes TSR300D.
2002 Yamaha XT600e.
2010 Freelander2 (the wifes)
2008 John Deere X140

30th May 2011 10:44am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5034

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

Yes but as you know some of that is about design etc

The defender is much quicker to get at key places - the wings and bonnet only take about 30minutes to remove! Mike

30th May 2011 11:59am

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