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leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
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International Driving Permits

Currently UK drivers with the correct driving licence do not need any extra paperwork to drive in Europe.

Now unless various people get their finger out UK drivers will need a IDP to drive in Europe as well as their driving licence. Apparently an extra 7,000,000 IDP will have to be issued by post offices in the UK.

Standard UK motor insurance normally covers short trips into Europe. Will it be a return to the green card system?

Will the UK MOT be accepted as a valid motor roadworhy annual check in Europe?

Will there be a need to introduce a carnet system for taking vehicles into Europe?

Brendan

19th Jul 2018 6:38am

LandRoverAnorak

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I take it that those are rhetorical questions, as the answers haven't been worked out yet, like so many other things? Darren

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19th Jul 2018 7:14am

leeds

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According to the National Audit Office here

Quote:

The NAO report looks at how the Department for Transport is preparing for the UK's departure from the EU in March 2019.

It said the department had made a "determined effort" to address the "significant and complex challenge" of Brexit - but "still has much to do" with an increasing risk that projects will not be delivered on time.

Currently, UK driving licences are valid in all EU countries, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland.

But unless a specific agreement is reached, UK drivers will need "additional documentation" in Europe after Brexit, the report says.

The government's preparations for this scenario include ratifying a 1968 road traffic convention so International Driving Permits are recognised.

About 100,000 of these documents - which cost £5.50 and take about five minutes to apply for - are currently issued each year, and they are recommended or required in more than 140 countries worldwide.

This could increase to seven million permits being issued by 4,500 Post Offices in the first year of Brexit unless a deal is agreed, the NAO report says.

So point of IDP is extremely valid. Now I have in the past had to ask for my motor insurance to be extended to cover parts of Europe, had to buy extra insurance at borders, had to apply for a green card, had to have a carnet etc. So yes those points are an extension of the IDP question, are they valid or rhetorical questions?

Will everything be in place in 8 months time? Will the unaware UK driver on his annual trip skiing in the Alps etc be aware of extra documentation required when he gets pulled by the French police etc?

Brendan

19th Jul 2018 8:33am

LandRoverAnorak

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I'm not saying that they're not valid questions. It's just that like everything else Brexit, it's still a work in progress and so there aren't any definitive answers yet. Darren

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19th Jul 2018 8:36am

leeds

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That is the whole problem. How long will the work take? What happens if all the agreements are not in place?

Brendan

19th Jul 2018 8:46am

Ramsay

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Easy, the economy collapses.

I'm not sure that number accounts for drivers who hire vehicles in Europe as I do most months.

There is reciprocal version as well with EU drivers needing IDP to drive here. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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19th Jul 2018 12:34pm

shropshiredefender

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You have a valid point Brendan.

Unfortunately we are in a position were we have to trust our politicians (trust and politician are not words that sit comfortably in any sentence written by me) to come up with a solution.

On a more positive note any decision regarding driving permits etc. should/will/may be applied equally to drivers (including truck drivers I suppose) coming to the U.K. from Europe.

19th Jul 2018 2:07pm

blackwolf

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leeds wrote:
... What happens if all the agreements are not in place?
Brendan

I think the answer to that is easy - "wait and see".

I think there is a snowball's chance in hell of the "arrangements being in place" on time. I am sure however that the world won't end.

(Remember the run-up to the year 2000 and all the prediction of global disaster because of the "millennium bug"? Redneck Americans stockpiling food and guns for the final breakdown of society and all that? Perhaps we should start filling our wheelie bins with fuel, just in case).

19th Jul 2018 3:01pm

ken

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Not sure how much electricity a wheelie bin can store BW

19th Jul 2018 3:16pm

Ramsay

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blackwolf wrote:
leeds wrote:
... What happens if all the agreements are not in place?
Brendan

(Remember the run-up to the year 2000 and all the prediction of global disaster because of the "millennium bug"? Redneck Americans stockpiling food and guns for the final breakdown of society and all that? Perhaps we should start filling our wheelie bins with fuel, just in case).

Yes I do remember the more than three years of work and major computer and system changes I was aware of to make sure the "millennium bug" did not cause major disruption at the end of the century. I remember that Nuclear power stations were powered down and physically locked out on the night as they could not be sure all systems would behave as intended.
So being eight months out from a comparable change with little planning from the government beyond sending out a leaflet that it is our problem to deal with their mess does not give me any confidence at all that it will be all right. 1995 Defender 110 CSW
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19th Jul 2018 3:45pm

dorsetsmith

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blackwolf wrote:
leeds wrote:
... What happens if all the agreements are not in place?
Brendan

I think the answer to that is easy - "wait and see".

I think there is a snowball's chance in hell of the "arrangements being in place" on time. I am sure however that the world won't end.

(Remember the run-up to the year 2000 and all the prediction of global disaster because of the "millennium bug"? Redneck Americans stockpiling food and guns for the final breakdown of society and all that? Perhaps we should start filling our wheelie bins with fuel, just in case).

(Remember the run-up to the year 2000 and all the prediction of global disaster because of the "millennium bug

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19th Jul 2018 3:45pm

blackwolf

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ken wrote:
Not sure how much electricity a wheelie bin can store BW

If I remember correctly, the bloke who did this when the tanker drivers last went on strike found you could get about 40 gallons in a standard wheelie bin. I do remember he had his inside his house when he found that petrol dissolves the plastic of the bin, and that the fire service wasn't particularly complimentary about his intelligence when they attended to deal with it. I think it was somewhere in Birmingham.

19th Jul 2018 5:47pm

Bluest

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The answer is, it’ll all be fine. The need to keep trucks moving in and out will mean something will be in place to cover all those issues. It might not be as slick as desired to begin with, you might need to fill a few forms in or buy some extra insurance, but you can’t have Brexit without that as far as I can see. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

19th Jul 2018 6:47pm

legin

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I used to go on Holiday to Germany when I was 5 that was 55 years ago before the word Brexit was thought of ,when a "one Europe" was the catch words of the day,all though school we had day trips to Calais and Boulogne they still let us in and we spent our pocket money ,Why do people have to always look on the dark side ,do you really think the likes of BMW , Mercedes Audi and all those French car makers are going to stop selling us cars ,do they not want our pocket money ! It's going to be hard to sort out but at the end of the day it will be the same just back to front with a bit of paper work and that's if it ever changes,so please stop being so negative.what was wrong with the green card system ?

19th Jul 2018 7:18pm

Mash

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Guernsey has its own DVLA and driving licence, we have never been apart of the EU, we still do not have any form of MOT yet there is nothing stopping anyone jumping in their car and travelling Europe completely unrestricted.

Let’s not worry about what might happen, chances are nothing will change and if it does it won’t be a major issue to anyone

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19th Jul 2018 8:13pm

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