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seriesonenut



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MOT exemption - classic car side affect!
Hi
Just noticed something going on with the classic car scene since the MOT exemption being moved from the pre 1960 position. It seems lots of cars which failed MOT's for structural problems are now being listed by owners stating ' MOT not required'. A search of the DVLA MOT history shows some last having a test in 2012 for example with serious corrosion and now hey presto they have been resurrected.

Buyer beware and all that but a worrying trend........ 1984 One-Ten CSW
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g-mack



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yea its not good is it. dont think i will be applying for exemption, for the sake of £30-40 a year and piece of mind the vehicle is safe. My 109 thread

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leeds



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Personally I believe all vehicles used on the public highway should have a MOT as per rules for annual requirements.

OK I would not expect a 40 year old vehicle to have the same braking efficiency asa modern car however I would expect them to work.

The MOT is a basic safety check and in my opinion all vehicles on the public highway should have an independent annual safety check.


When the MOT was introduced it did get old unsafe vehicles off the road. This age exemption could reintroduce unsafe vehicles on to our public roads.


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seriesonenut



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Personally I would like to see a vehicle out of test (and especially if it was a failure at the last test) re tested as it goes back on the road at least once.

I am sure not everyone will agree but most of the pre 1960 vehicles were in the hands of enthusiasts, at the moment there is a risk some of the just 40 year olds are in the 'banger' category and will end up back on the roads in the hands of people who do not care/understand the issue.

As I say, unintended consequences? Whistle 1984 One-Ten CSW
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Procta



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With me been a young pup (32 years old) I was never into the modern crap, hence why I still run an old car. I am a strong fan of tax exempt, really it should have stayed at 20 years old, rather than 40. As for the MOT exemption, I thinks is a very, very bad Idea, as you really do get some make up jobs on the market, The proper mini been a prime example, IF you re a 1st time classic car buyer, you could end up with a death trap with out knowing. So Id be more than happy to keep putting MOTs on cars. Just for everyones safety, Also when it comes to sell it on, you can say its safe. Which should keep the value and the customer happy. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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If nothing else the annual MOT helps focus the mind and this I feel is particularly relevant to classic cars that do minimal mileage - no they're not going to wear out brake pads, steering joints and the like but chassis are still going to rot and brake callipers are still going to stick and brake hoses will deteriorate.

This is a backward step if you ask me. Big Cry Defender 90XS SW
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Procta



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After coming from the metros, No way would I have registered one as MOT exempt if the option was there. Due to how bad those were at rotten. Be the same story for my dream ford escort mk2 or mk5 Cortina. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Landish



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Have spoken to a couple of classic specialists who say they think insurance companies may refuse to pay out after an accident if a classic does not have a current MOT and there is any hint that it was not roadworthy. Am definitely planning to take my two classics for annual MOT even though they are technically ‘exempt’.
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I think you'll find that all insurance companies are unlikely to pay out beyond RTA cover after any accident if the vehicle is unroadworthy irrespective of MOT exempt status, whatever the age of the vehicle. An MOT certificate is not evidence of roadworthiness and no insurance company will consider it such.

Whilst I can understand why some owners may value a second opinion on condition (and owners who are not mechanically competent may want a first opinion) I don't really understand the fuss about this. Everyone who drives has a duty to ensure that the vehicle they are driving is roadworthy at the time, and there is ample evidence to suggest that a collectible car owned by an enthusiast is more likely to be roadworthy than a more modern car driven by Johnny (or Joanna) Gormless.

An MOT, especially on an older vehicle, inspects so little that you might as well do it yourself.
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v8bob



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100% agree Blackwolf.
I am a long term owner of classics - 2 of my vehicles I have owned for over 40 years. At one time I had 8 on the road. It was a ball ache getting 8 mots plus the cost mounts up. I was probably averaging less than 500 miles for each.
When the pre 60 mot exemption started then 2 of my fleet were in that category. Now the pre 78 has added 5 more as mot exempt. That pays for the petrol (maybe not for the sub 15mpg ones).
For an enthusiast this is good. I am not a dealer, just adding one to my fleet in the past 15 years.

Bob
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I don't have a problem with it, the vehicle still has to be roadworthy and, let's be honest here, many classic owners know far more about their car's condition than an MOT tester who gets to spend 30 minutes with it at the most.

MOT is a baseline but beyond that it's pretty worthless. Remember the MOT only holds good at the time of the test, after that anything can happen to the vehicle so it could be argued that the current MOT only covers 1 day a year anyway.

That said, for someone buying a car that's new to them they can always take it for a test or insist the seller does before they buy. An inspection by a specialist would probably be more useful though. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/
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