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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110   
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Well, some rumors in LR for 2013...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/...er/239628/ Do you like to do a wish list for this new Defender? Cheers Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge |
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11th May 2009 11:07pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513  
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surprisingly, this occupies quite a bit of my thoughts (not sure why - I have no ability to influence what they do - I'm just curious to think what I'd do).
First of all, they need to find a way of assembling the vehicle for 50% of the current cost. That means either half the workforce or - as they seem to agree - doubling output. The bill of materials for the new Defender would likely be 25 - 35% greater than the current one (more technology is inevitable and more care spent on key components like the half shafts and diffs). My assumption was that they would base it on the T5 chassis. I also assumed that it would increase in length to 100" and 120" or thereabouts (more passenger space and deeper dashboards etc). I'm guessing wider too. Probably remain coil sprung, live axle. The area I can't yet resolve is the body. Do you make it hark back to the Defender in looks but construct it from a unibody like the D3 or do you keep with the panel construction of the Defender? D3 route would give you a stiffer, more crash-legislation-compliant vehicle with greater levels of comfort (noise, harshness, sealing...) but would immediately sever the interchangability of parts and panels with the old Defenders. The panels would likely lead to higher assembly costs but could potentially remain sympathetic to the continuity of the range. I suspect I'd go the former route - you have to move on some time. Aluminium or steel - hopefully aluminium. Auto box option (with TR), rear diff lock option. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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12th May 2009 5:31am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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Or why not throw a Defender looking body on to the D3 chassis and running gear.
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12th May 2009 7:55am |
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| solmanic Member Since: 16 Aug 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 191  
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OK - so how long before someone here tries this in their backyard?  2007 Defender 110
1970 Alfa Romeo 1750GTV |
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12th May 2009 11:46pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5013
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It's a two year old thought!!
Think they are talking about 2016 now for a new Defender........... |
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4th May 2011 6:28am |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101  
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i think the defender / meccano kits are done.
there is no way they will be bolting the new defender together |
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4th May 2011 8:28am |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 422 
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I'm a big fan of evolution when it comes to cars and products like this. So I would probably prefer not to see a "radical new take", but to see those things fixed which are a problem. Note that evolution does not mean staying still either. Even big changes, like size of the chassis, can be made if it makes sense.
The way I'd design a new iteration of the Defender would be to base it on military and expedition requirements. I know those are niche markets (although the military is likely a large one), but they kind of define the essence of a Landy. If you go back far enough, the military is where the Landy came from (through Willys Jeeps). I'm not talking about armoured personnel carriers, but a practical and cost-efficient vehicle for jobs behind friendly lines. The qualities of such a vehicle would be: Easy to maintain. Reliability should be decent, although maintainability probably even more important. Easy to modify to different uses and equipment. Good ability to carry loads and do hard work. Offroad performance more important than on road (which shouldn't be crap, either). Durability and longevity should be great. The end result should be affordable. After you've got all that, do whatever is necessary to meet EU/US requirements. Actually, looking at the list, the current Defender is not half bad. |
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8th May 2011 10:06am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707
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I think that the 'requirements' will shape the vehicle. 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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8th May 2011 5:48pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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embrace change we cant stop it
The dramatic change from D2 to D3 was a good one |
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8th May 2011 6:08pm |
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| blue meanie Member Since: 30 Jun 2007 Location: Newbury (ish) Posts: 43 |
I'm still trying to resist the charms of the current one, my resolve is weakening
 
soon..... Last edited by blue meanie on 9th May 2011 2:55pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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8th May 2011 7:37pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412
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Resistance is futile John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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9th May 2011 1:27pm |
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| double cab happy Member Since: 01 Jun 2009 Location: merseyside Posts: 573 
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i just keep telling myself that TATA will take all the tooling for the defender and produce an up to date TDi in india, now that would be one hell of a drive home,
just to make this sound a bit more realistice toyota still produce there no thrills 70 series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_70_Series p.s i don't ever want a toyota, i just want TATA to read this. |
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9th May 2011 1:46pm |
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| CR Member Since: 28 Jan 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 947  
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I think that they will move the defender production to India and keep it going as something
for emerging markets and that type of thing. time will tell CR |
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9th May 2011 2:07pm |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 422
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Change can be good, but it should be the kind of change that brings improvements. By all means tweak the size of the vehicle, if it makes sense, but don't lose the sense of a simple, functional vehicle which can be maintained easily. I'm sick and tired of overly complex vehicles and fiddly things going wrong, and 'luxury' items that serve little real purpose other than the sale or to serve current fashion. Defenders should be no nonsense, unassuming, tough vehicles that don't hide screw heads just because Victoria Beckham wouldn't like her nail caught on one.[/url]
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9th May 2011 9:50pm |
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