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| BaileyJ Member Since: 07 Mar 2018 Location: Britain Posts: 15  
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 Click image to enlarge This is one of the pressure plots If anyone wanted to see. Peaks then drops when running to idle and stays fairly consistent. |
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12th Mar 2018 6:45pm |
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| Ontdekker Member Since: 25 Nov 2009 Location: Centurion Posts: 11  
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Check this thread that might assist with the glow plug error.
http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showth...Error-Code |
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13th Mar 2018 5:57am |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762  
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Your topic interests me a lot.... sorry to hijack, but I'm hoping to discover it also... with your help maybe
I've been having a similar problem...and your pics on the beggining of this post seem to match the problems I have... Some times it's hard to start... other times the glow plug light does not lit and the temperature indicator goes up... see videos below sometimes it looks like the vehicle starts and then for a split of a second it shuts off and on... and last when I turn the key to position II right before turning the engine on I hear a ratratratratrat sound from, I think, under the passenger seat (RH) or behind the dash....as in this video - sound on these two videos we can see some of the problems... checked the fuses, ignition barrel and switch replaced a couple of months ago... no faults on the scangauge (although I think the scangauge it's not a big deal...never read one error, when I've had some) going to follow your post and links and try to solve also...starting on the relays  Regards
Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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15th Mar 2018 11:05pm |
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| newhue Member Since: 28 Apr 2014 Location: Brisbane Posts: 351 
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In that second vid it sounds like one of the relays under the passengers seat. If it is it should be easy to locate with that clicking. My Defender and travels
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16th Mar 2018 8:20pm |
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| BaileyJ Member Since: 07 Mar 2018 Location: Britain Posts: 15
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Hello all,
Been a while since I got a chance to look at the defender. I haven’t made any progress, I did have a suggestion to change the crank position sensor based on someone else having a similar issue. I have taken the old one out to find that it was glued in place and it appears that the mounting bracket is broken. Does anyone have a picture of what the mounting arrangement looks like on the 2.4? Mine looks like this.. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge I would imagine there should be a small flange to bolt through into the sensor? Any help much appreciated as always. |
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23rd Mar 2018 5:03pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17458  
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IIRC the bit with the hole that is still bolted to your engine is meant to be an integral part of the bit in your hand.
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23rd Mar 2018 5:34pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20468
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LRmainiac - That sounds like a Relay failiures.
The clicking is the switch inside the replay engaging and disengaging very fast, which it would normally only do once. Engage, or disengage. (I presume.) Sound like it's either getting rapid pulsed voltage, or there is an EMF issue failiure with the Relay it's self. It may also be high resistance on the connector socket or pins of the Relay. But I'd be pretty sure it's a Relay or Relay socket issue.  No Guts, No Glory.
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23rd Mar 2018 6:04pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
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23rd Mar 2018 7:22pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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I've had some issues similar to lrmaniac's first video recently.
The most recent time was on Wednesday when I tried to leave work. The dash lit up as usual, tried to start and it didn't. Turned the ignition off and on again, just got the battery light and the temperature gauge went in to the red. I've had quite a lot of other starting issues recently which I originally thought was a tired battery (I still think that was a problem, just perhaps not *the* problem) but this was a brand new battery that I had fully charged the evening before (as a just in case measure), it was reading 12.8V with the ignition off and I had also linked my second battery as another just in case measure. I wanted to get home! Fixed it by taking all the relays out and putting them back in again. It's been much happier since then. One thing I had noticed before having the issues was on the voltage displays on my Ultraguage. It has two potential displays, one that it measures itself which stays pretty steady between 14.3 and 14.45V and one that it picks up from the ECU. Before Wednesday and me reseating the relays, the one from the ECU was reading all over the place as I drove along. It would go up to 14.2 but would sometimes drop down to 12.5V often enough that I noticed it but only for a second or two at a time. Since fiddling around in the carpark, that's been much steadier reading between 14.0 and 14.3V as I'm driving. It might be a complete coincidence but it does seem to all tally. |
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23rd Mar 2018 8:11pm |
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| BaileyJ Member Since: 07 Mar 2018 Location: Britain Posts: 15
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That’s the one, I’ve ordered the part. I guess this requires the gearbox sliding back to gain access to the bolts. Would the crank sensor cause the issues I’ve been seeing? The rev counter still works fine which is assume works off this signal. And when it’s running it’s been running fine. I’m praying it does sort the problems. |
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24th Mar 2018 11:57am |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762
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Hi
Thanks for your inputs... Searched for glow plug relay part number... on this forum and the internet...found this link https://www.landroverworkshop.com/connectors/defender-2007/C0215 Is it part number YPP10005? Because if it is it's not for sale anywhere... is there an alternative part number? And can anyone poit to the main relay pn also? I've also been noticing more than normal smoke on start up... Will have the glowplugs changed, next week since the 110 has to do maintenance and MOT... **UPDATE** - Found the correct PN... YWB500220LR and YWB500060 Regards Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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27th Mar 2018 9:15am |
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| BaileyJ Member Since: 07 Mar 2018 Location: Britain Posts: 15
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A bit of work carried out today. I got the bracket changed eventually. I do now have another issue in that the gearbox won’t slide back upto the engine fully. It’s about 10mm away but it wont pull up tight. I’ve tried jacking the gearbox in every point making sure they are both level but it will won’t go back together. I can’t work out what it might be. Has anyone split the gearbox and engine before and had a similar issue? I’m worried something from the clutch or the spigot bush has disintegrated and blocked the hole for the gearbox input shaft.
Another issue I found was a large earth cable not connected to anything. I haven’t traced it yet but it seems to be coming from the relays under the seatbox. I can only assume this might be the issue with my glowplug fault. |
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3rd Apr 2018 9:26pm |
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| BenB8man Member Since: 22 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 429
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The earth strap, or any earthing issue, can cause all manner of random/intermittent/unusual problems. That might well be the main source of the problems!
I'm by no means an expert, but I have taken the gearbox fully out, into the workshop and back in again. No Jack, no assistance, just using ratchet straps to support it and a skateboard to move it! I did find myself in the same position as you when it came to mating them back together though. Took quite some wriggling. I ended up fully underneath the gearbox (transfer still connected) with my feet eitherside of the bellhouse pushing it as i rocked it with my hands on the transferbox. Obviously make sure there is nothing actually in the way of the mating surfaces and in the bellhouse etc. I had disconnected everything, so had to be aware of things dangling as it went back together. I'd be surprised if anything is blocking the spigot bushing though, its more likely catching on a mount or something you can't see. If you really cant get it together maybe pull it back apart and see if you can feel any issues. |
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3rd Apr 2018 9:45pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6304  
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try disconnecting the scanguage and try again see if that helps. I've known it to cause strange things in he past. good luck. |
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4th Apr 2018 7:10am |
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